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    Re: Pope Francis: Church can't 'interfere' with gays

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    No it isn't actually.
    then why does it share many of the same story's that Judaism has?

    Why does christianity consider the city of juresalem their holy city, even though both Judasim and Islam have similar claims to the city.

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    Re: Pope Francis: Church can't 'interfere' with gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    then why does it share many of the same story's that Judaism has?

    Why does christianity consider the city of juresalem their holy city, even though both Judasim and Islam have similar claims to the city.
    The NEW Jerusalem is the Holy city of Christianity. Also known as Zion, aka Heaven.
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    Re: Pope Francis: Church can't 'interfere' with gays

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    The NEW Jerusalem is the Holy city of Christianity. Also known as Zion, aka Heaven.
    what is Jerusalem worth?

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    Re: Pope Francis: Church can't 'interfere' with gays

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Judaism also thinks that Jesus wasn't the Messiah.
    He wasn't. He may be the Christian's saviour but he was never the Jew's Messiah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    He wasn't. He may be the Christian's saviour but he was never the Jew's Messiah.
    Yes He was actually. They are looking for something that has already come.
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    Re: Pope Francis: Church can't 'interfere' with gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    what is Jerusalem worth?
    It's just another city. Nothing special to a Christian other than historical significance.
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    Re: Pope Francis: Church can't 'interfere' with gays

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    You should probably check your sources on that.
    I would turn that onto you. I know that archeology, carbon dating and recorded history confirms that the dating of the Bible restricts it to the first century millenia BCE. The First Babylonian Dynasty and its laws far predate anything remotely biblical given that the dynasty lasted from 1900 BCE to 1500 BCE. The Uruk period of Sumer streches back to 4100 - 2900 BC and foundation of ancient Egypt stretches back to 3150 BC. The creation of the Bible is closer to today than it was to the marriages existing in ancient Egypt and Sumer.

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    Re: Pope Francis: Church can't 'interfere' with gays

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    I would turn that onto you. I know that archeology, carbon dating and recorded history confirms that the dating of the Bible restricts it to the first century millenia BCE. The First Babylonian Dynasty and its laws far predate anything remotely biblical given that the dynasty lasted from 1900 BCE to 1500 BCE. The Uruk period of Sumer streches back to 4100 - 2900 BC and foundation of ancient Egypt stretches back to 3150 BC. The creation of the Bible is closer to today than it was to the marriages existing in ancient Egypt and Sumer.

    Sources of the Pentateuch: Texts, Introductions, Annotations - Google Books
    Moses is estimated to have been born around 1391 BC, and Job is estimated to have been written before the books of the Law. Their history goes back to the creation of the world in Genesis, so don't really care what you are trying to argue, it isn't valid.
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    Re: Pope Francis: Church can't 'interfere' with gays

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Moses is estimated to have been born around 1391 BC, and Job is estimated to have been written before the books of the Law. Their history goes back to the creation of the world in Genesis, so don't really care what you are trying to argue, it isn't valid.
    The only record of Moses that we have is the Bible. His existance is not confirmed by any other historical source, which is beside the point because after centuries of archeological research, there has not been a single shred of evidence that supports that Hebrews ever even existed in Egypt. The Exodus is not a historical account.

    "The consensus among biblical scholars today is that there was never any exodus of the proportions described in the Bible, and that the story is best seen as theology, a story illustrating how the God of Israel acted to save and strengthen his chosen people, and not as history."

    Egypt: The Jews of Ancient Egypt
    The Exodus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    That largely misses the point, as well, because we actually know what was going on in Egypt in 1391 BCE. Egyptians recorded history and left archeological evidence, thus we have brilliant wikipedia pages full of information about Amenhotep III or Akhenaten, their reigns and what was occuring in Egypt at the time Moses was not existing.

    Eighteenth Dynasty of Egypt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Pope Francis: Church can't 'interfere' with gays

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Moses is estimated to have been born around 1391 BC, and Job is estimated to have been written before the books of the Law. Their history goes back to the creation of the world in Genesis, so don't really care what you are trying to argue, it isn't valid.
    Well to be precise their MYTHS and LEGENDS go back to the Creation of the world, which pretty much ALL societies do. 'History' requires a more concrete record other than camp fire stories past down for thousands of years before the written word.

    Ever play the child's game of whispering a sentence into another's ear all the way around the circle to see what the final version is? do that for 5,000 years before the first written record and see what you get.

    My thought is the Bible is a good book but not THE word of GAWD.

    As far as who the Church should embrace or shun.... Seems I heard one of the closest people to Jesus was a female prostitute. I have also heard all manner of sinners are embraced by the Church. Those drunks and cheats, druggies and hookers, murderers and wife beaters- even politicians and IRS workers...

    Why those who don't want to sleep with the opposite sex are singled out for a special admonition over those who break the Holy vows of marriage is something I don't quite understand...

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