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    Re: Iran: We will never develop nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I'm liking this guy... at least via comparison to his predecessors.

    Iran's president Rouhani: We will never develop nuclear weapons

    Iranian President Hassan Rouhani told NBC News on Wednesday that the country will never develop nuclear weapons and that he has the clout to make a deal with the West on the disputed atomic program.

    “In its nuclear program, this government enters with full power and has complete authority,” Rouhani told Ann Curry, NBC News national and international correspondent and anchor at large, in his first interview with a U.S. news outlet since his election.

    “The problem won't be from our side,” he said at the presidential compound in Tehran. “We have sufficient political latitude to solve this problem.”

    “We consider war a weakness. Any government or administration that decides to wage a war, we consider a weakness. And any government that decides on peace, we look on it with respect to peace.”
    Wow, you actually buy this crap?
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    Re: Iran: We will never develop nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    With respect to Iran, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani has an op-ed in today's Washington Post. The op-ed can be found at:

    President of Iran Hassan Rouhani: Time to engage - The Washington Post

    My quick thoughts:

    The rhetoric is encouraging, but one needs concrete policy information and actions to determine whether the softer rhetoric is indicative of an Iranian shift or whether it is merely fresh packaging on a policy that remains little changed. One also has to bear in mind that Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei's authority supersedes that of the President. Khamenei has not had a record of flexibility.

    In the op-ed, President Rouhani repeatedly refers to "constructive engagement." He talks about a world where "global politics is no longer a zero-sum game." The big question concerns whether he is indicating new Iranian flexibility or whether he is largely imploring the international community to be more flexible in its dealings with Iran. A diplomatic breakthrough will require trade-offs from both sides, not simply the international community's abandoning its needs with respect to Iran.

    The rhetoric and appeals to "mutual respect" and "win-win outcomes" seems encouraging. Certainly, if the opportunity arises, President Obama should meet with his Iranian counterpart at the UN General Assembly.

    Having said that, there are elements in the op-ed that suggest more a change in style than substance. For example, Rouhani declares that it is "counterintuitive to pursue one's interests without considering the interests of others." He could just as easily be charging that the U.S. and international community have been ignoring Iran's interests. Perhaps most decisive, he ties Iran's nuclear program to Iran's identity. He writes:

    The centrality of identity extends to the case of our peaceful nuclear energy program. To us, mastering the atomic fuel cycle and generating nuclear power is as much about diversifying our energy resources as it is about who Iranians are as a nation, our demand for dignity and respect and our consequent place in the world. Without comprehending the role of identity, many issues we all face will remain unresolved.

    Is the Iranian President willing to accept international safeguards to assure that his country's nuclear program is "peaceful?" Is he willing to limit his notions of "mastering the atomic fuel cycle" to the more limited areas consistent with a civilian nuclear program rather than inclusive of know-how or technology necessary to create highly-enriched uranium that could be weaponized? If not, and that remains to be seen and should be probed by international diplomats in the near-term, then he is actually making a decisive stand against compromise on Iran's nuclear activities despite the kinder rhetorical packaging he has offered.

    Actions and concrete policy details will determine whether Iran is shifting course. Until then, the best one can suggest is that the possible opening needs to be explored to see if it is real. One cannot, at this time, conclude that Iran has shifted its policy course.
    These guys know how to play the western audiences so very well. The former communist leaders were all introduced as enjoying fine wine and jazz and all Daniel Ortega had to do, while killing off the Mosquito Indians, was wear a Yankees baseball cap and the western MSM did a swoon. These dictatorial leaders are no different.

    I do not believe anything these people say, but instead look at their motives for saying it.

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    Re: Iran: We will never develop nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I'm liking this guy... at least via comparison to his predecessors.

    Iran's president Rouhani: We will never develop nuclear weapons

    Iranian President Hassan Rouhani told NBC News on Wednesday that the country will never develop nuclear weapons and that he has the clout to make a deal with the West on the disputed atomic program.

    “In its nuclear program, this government enters with full power and has complete authority,” Rouhani told Ann Curry, NBC News national and international correspondent and anchor at large, in his first interview with a U.S. news outlet since his election.

    “The problem won't be from our side,” he said at the presidential compound in Tehran. “We have sufficient political latitude to solve this problem.”

    “We consider war a weakness. Any government or administration that decides to wage a war, we consider a weakness. And any government that decides on peace, we look on it with respect to peace.”
    A statement like that is a sure sign that they are.
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    Re: Iran: We will never develop nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Wow, you actually buy this crap?
    I believe it's a start and a standard they set with which to hold them to.
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    Re: Iran: We will never develop nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I believe it's a start and a standard they set with which to hold them to.
    How might that be done? Draw another line in the sand?

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    Re: Iran: We will never develop nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How might that be done? Draw another line in the sand?
    No. They drew that line. It's up to them to make themselves credible on that standard. Not our responsibility.
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    Re: Iran: We will never develop nuclear weapons

    The Koran allows you to lie to your enemy.

    Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.
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    Re: Iran: We will never develop nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    I'm not going to address your mention of Iraq. My point was that, regardless of what was actually going on in Iraq, what was known - or, to prevent you debating me on this subject, what was perceived by Iran and most likely other states - was that the US was using UN weapons inspectors to spy on Iraq. So with regards to this point, and coupled with the fact that UN inspectors have made requests outside of the scope of any legal agreement or negotiation (such as visiting military facilities unconnected to the nuclear program, simply because they have an unsubstantiated idea that it might be part of it), it's clear that Iran is not going to comply with such requests.
    While that's true, that's not a reason to build your facilities underground and hidden away when everyone knows what you're up to there. Iran even posted official pictures of nuclear activities at underground sites. Civilian facilities don't need to be hardened or protected like that.

    Further, you will find that neither the IAEA nor the United States make - nor attempt to substantiate - the claim that Iran has not been transparent about nuclear materials. All you have is suspicion that they "might" be "researching" weaponization, with no evidence to support the fact. What you find when you review the past five years of IAEA reports and events surrounding the Iranian nuclear program is minor conflicts that get resolved in time.
    Have they allowed inspections into all of their facilities? If not, that's not transparent. They're doing the same thing the Israelis did. And I don't think you're going to say the Israelis don't have a nuclear weapons program. Sure, we have missing gaps in intelligence, but when their behavior resembles the type of behavior from offenders like the Israels as well as the initial secret program South Korea tried, that doesn't suggest a purely peaceful operation. We have known peaceful civilian usage around the world. We know what that looks like. If Iran was actually going about a purely peaceful operation, their behaviors would resemble that of Argentina, not Israel.

    As for the choice of production vs. importation, that's a non-argument. Iran has the legal right, under NPT, to produce its own uranium. Politically, it makes sense for Iran to produce its own uranium, as the past years of sanctions has transparently shown; importing uranium might be more cost effective generally, but not when there are economic sanctions and embargoes in place. Duh!
    Refinement has never been totally clarified under the NPT. It's been a sticking point since the agreement. Countries have complained that the US largely arbitrarily made the rules to which they're largely correct. But it still does not change the cost factor.

    Iran could have saved billions by simply importing fuel. And that's outside of the sanctions. Remember that the sanctions only were US based. Nothing stopped Russia, French or others from agreeing to fuel arrangements. Iran under US sanctions before the round of banking sanctions would have had no problem getting such fuel agreements.
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    Re: Iran: We will never develop nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    I agree to an extent. They are given a certain leeway.
    Not as much as they used to. The administration before Disco Stu largely lost the power after their attempt to grab for more. The Iranian Presidency has always been a figurehead, it's just now more so than before.

    I pay basically no attention at all to what the President says. It's the Mullahs that hold the power. Disco Stu got essentially neutered once he fell out of favor. The President is a puppet who dances on strings.
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    Re: Iran: We will never develop nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I believe it's a start and a standard they set with which to hold them to.
    Right.....because we held Syria to a standard......Oh wait, we let Russia take control of the Middle East. Wake up dude, this is typical Iranian rhetoric.
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