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House Bill Defunds Health Care

Slyfox696 said:
I didn't even bother to read the rest of your post. Your trying to insert partisanship to argue a statement I made where I expressly said to ignore it. What I said was very accurate. I know you're just itching to stand up and blame people, but that was not the point of my comment.
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And I am responding to people who want to blame the Republicans for their action. Turn about is fair play after all.
 
Kobie said:
Why not? The Senate doesn't serve as an automatic rubber stamp for the House.
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The items that are included in the bill by the House would not have anything controversial in it. I am sure that Republicans would not do anything that would make the Senators reject it. The only reason that the Senators would have is not including spending for Obama Care. The ball is in the Senates court. If the Democratic leaders in the Senate could take off their ideological blinders they would see that the best course for action would be to pass it or make specific objections to parts of the bill as presented and not take the bait to object to having no bill for payment of Obama Care. If they do this then when the elections come they might not loose so badly and be in a better position to negotiate a "reform" of Obama Care that a majority of the population could accept. I think they will not see this correctly and try to do the same game of one upmanship that caused the Republicans to cave in so many times in the past.
 
Slyfox696 said:
Congress is trying to pass a bill to defund a law they passed, and if the law they passed isn't defunded by Congress, then Congress will decide to temporarily suspend the government they are responsible (while they themselves are still getting paid) for from work, and likely not pay the bills Congress accumulated.


Take partisanship out of it for just a second and take a moment to think how utterly ridiculous this situation is.
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I sincerely hope that the losers on the far right in the GOP go ahead and shut the government down.

I am totally fed up with those losers and I hope that they go ahead and shoot themselves in the foot.

I guarantee you that they and the entire GOP will pay a heavy price for that stupidity.

The USA will survive, but I don't believe that the GOP will still be around very long.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
 
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shrubnose said:
I sincerely hope that the losers on the far right in the GOP go ahead and shut the government down.

I am totally fed up with those losers and I hope that they go ahead and shoot themselves in the foot.

I guarantee you that they and the entire GOP will pay a heavy price for that stupidity.

The USA will survive, but I don't believe that the GOP will still be around very long.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
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You sorta sound like these two



Sorry I don't share your sentiments. This week the GOP House stopped playing defense and started playing offense. Not just with defunding Obamacare but the immigration bill is going nowhere in the House. It's been a wonderful week. :mrgreen:

Why I feel like breaking out in song........

Michael Buble - Feeling Good - YouTube
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
i can think of 2 particular clause's that cover health insurance

the commerce clause, and the necessary and proper clause.
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Neither of those mention healthcare. One states that govt can regulate trade, the other that congress can make laws regarding the constitutional powers of govt. Its quite a stretch to say that that means the govt can force you to buy health insurance, create massive programs to pay for healthcare, etc. If all you needed was those two powers, there would be no need for them to have written in any powers.
 
jonny5 said:
Neither of those mention healthcare. One states that govt can regulate trade, the other that congress can make laws regarding the constitutional powers of govt. Its quite a stretch to say that that means the govt can force you to buy health insurance, create massive programs to pay for healthcare, etc. If all you needed was those two powers, there would be no need for them to have written in any powers.
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Our government requires that a hospital provide healthcare for people without the ability for them to pay for it. I spent some time chatting with a Tea Party demonstrator that owes a hospital and others 10's of thousands for health care and couldn't afford insurance. I can give you more details, but this Viet Vet should have died in the parking lot according to you.
This is the highest cost way to provide health care. Some preventive care would have been much lower cost. BTW you are paying for his high cost health care since the hospital etc. has to cover its costs by charging you more.
 
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OhIsee.Then said:

Our government requires that a hospital provide healthcare for people without the ability for them to pay for it. I spent some time chatting with a Tea Party demonstrator that owes a hospital and others 10's of thousands for health care and couldn't afford insurance. I can give you more details, but this Viet Vet should have died in the parking lot according to you.
This is the highest cost way to provide health care. Some preventive care would have been much lower cost. BTW you are paying for his high cost health care since the hospital etc. has to cover its costs by charging you more.
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Let's face it, the biggest problem is the cost of healthcare to begin with. Tort reform. :mrgreen:
 
OhIsee.Then said:

Our government requires that a hospital provide healthcare for people without the ability for them to pay for it. I spent some time chatting with a Tea Party demonstrator that owes a hospital and others 10's of thousands for health care and couldn't afford insurance. I can give you more details, but this Viet Vet should have died in the parking lot according to you.
This is the highest cost way to provide health care. Some preventive care would have been much lower cost. BTW you are paying for his high cost health care since the hospital etc. has to cover its costs by charging you more.
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Your sob story has nothing to do with what is legal. Your govt does not have the power to require that a hospital (and therefore ME) provide healthcare.
 
vesper said:
You sorta sound like these two



Sorry I don't share your sentiments. This week the GOP House stopped playing defense and started playing offense. Not just with defunding Obamacare but the immigration bill is going nowhere in the House. It's been a wonderful week. :mrgreen:

Why I feel like breaking out in song........

Michael Buble - Feeling Good - YouTube
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To those two, I say drop dead. That dried-up bitch hasn't got a clue.
 
shrubnose said:
I sincerely hope that the losers on the far right in the GOP go ahead and shut the government down.

I am totally fed up with those losers and I hope that they go ahead and shoot themselves in the foot.

I guarantee you that they and the entire GOP will pay a heavy price for that stupidity.

The USA will survive, but I don't believe that the GOP will still be around very long.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
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LOL. The house GOP just passed a bill that keeps the government running as well as gets rid of a massive disaster that Americans don't want. If the Senate or the President don't like it, they will be the ones "shutting down the government". What the house GOP did, Americans support. Now lets say their attempt at defunding the disaster fails. The GOP will be on the side of the American people and the Dems not on the side of the American people. Who pays the price in the next election? That's right, the Dems, just like when they pulled every trick and lie in the book to get it passed to begin with.

So the bottom line, the Dems can do what the American people want and is common sense or they face the wrath of the voters again. Most Americans don't want their country destroyed any further by the disaster called Obamacare. All and all, a very good day for the GOP and one third of the way for a good day in America.
 
ItAin'tFree said:
LOL. The house GOP just passed a bill that keeps the government running as well as gets rid of a massive disaster that Americans don't want. If the Senate or the President don't like it, they will be the ones "shutting down the government". What the house GOP did, Americans support. Now lets say their attempt at defunding the disaster fails. The GOP will be on the side of the American people and the Dems not on the side of the American people. Who pays the price in the next election? That's right, the Dems, just like when they pulled every trick and lie in the book to get it passed to begin with.

So the bottom line, the Dems can do what the American people want and is common sense or they face the wrath of the voters again. Most Americans don't want their country destroyed any further by the disaster called Obamacare. All and all, a very good day for the GOP and one third of the way for a good day in America.
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The Senate will not pass this bill, and the leaders of the House know it. All they are doing is playing political games.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
The Senate will not pass this bill, and the leaders of the House know it. All they are doing is playing political games.
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To what end?? You might call it a game, but they're actually doing what the people who elected them want them to do. It's irrelevant if the Senate won't entertain the bill - I mean, c'mon - has the Senate YET entertained anything the House has sent them? Besides, what would your solution be - become the "do nothing congress" the left claims they already are, and thus prove them right - or ignore their constituents altogether and do nothing because they know the Senate won't go along? Frankly, I don't see either as remotely responsible.
 
Wow this is groundbreaking! Now it's going to go to the Senate and get shot down faster than US drones in the middle east! Yay for unpredictable politics.
 
American said:
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Flat out scary, isn't it?

I continue to stipulate that any law that requires exemptions to it is not a legitimate law. And this, despite the wealth of other equally valid reasons, is NOT a legitimate law. It is as your graphic aptly notes - tyranny at its core.
 
EdwinWillers said:
To what end?? You might call it a game, but they're actually doing what the people who elected them want them to do. It's irrelevant if the Senate won't entertain the bill - I mean, c'mon - has the Senate YET entertained anything the House has sent them? Besides, what would your solution be - become the "do nothing congress" the left claims they already are, and thus prove them right - or ignore their constituents altogether and do nothing because they know the Senate won't go along? Frankly, I don't see either as remotely responsible.
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To what end? Why, garnering votes, of course. As for the do nothing Congress, this one has epitomized the phrase. No, neither the house nor the senate, neither the Republicans nor the Democrats, is even remotely responsible. Our current Congress is dysfunctional.
 
it appears to me that America will accept socialism
and that is sad really sad
 
EdwinWillers said:
Flat out scary, isn't it?

I continue to stipulate that any law that requires exemptions to it is not a legitimate law. And this, despite the wealth of other equally valid reasons, is NOT a legitimate law. It is as your graphic aptly notes - tyranny at its core.
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Equal under the law? Pffft
 
Dittohead not! said:
To what end? Why, garnering votes, of course. As for the do nothing Congress, this one has epitomized the phrase. No, neither the house nor the senate, neither the Republicans nor the Democrats, is even remotely responsible. Our current Congress is dysfunctional.
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Well, I would acknowledge our current SYSTEM is wholly dysfunctional - it's just gotten way too gargantuan, way too tempting for any individual to avoid the lure of such power. And yeah, I think the vast majority of them have fallen prey to the allure of power that is our current system. It was never meant to get this big, never designed to be this big, never intended become this tempting to those naturally given to this sort of temptation.
 
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