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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    What makes you think the federal government is the proper entity to do this? What?

    Or if this is easier, why MUST we accept the Democrat premise that government-run health care is the ONLY way to "fix" ____________? Insert 1) pre-existing conditions. 2) Affordablility. 3) Guarantee of life-saving treatment. 4) Whatever...
    a insurance company can deny coverage to someone just because they have had a history of cancer, and there is no obligation on the part of the government to prevent someone from dieing.

    Health care is something that many people rely on if they get sick, and people should not have to lose everything financially because a insurance company refused to pay for life saving treatment. the government has a moral obligation to care for the lives of its citizens.

    Or are the lives of citizens expendable?

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    I say let the Republicans shut down government. That is fine by me just another death rattle from a bunch of fat old white guys.
    But its not fine by you, so what are you going to do about it?

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    No, the insurance companies charge premiums to provide insurance, so once again, who will pay for this nicety?
    citizens.

    but that is what we pay taxes for.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    a insurance company can deny coverage to someone just because they have had a history of cancer, and there is no obligation on the part of the government to prevent someone from dieing.
    I'm asking this in all seriousness - seriously... you're kidding, right?
    Who chimes "No Absolutes!" chimes absolutely.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    a insurance company can deny coverage to someone just because they have had a history of cancer, and there is no obligation on the part of the government to prevent someone from dieing.

    Health care is something that many people rely on if they get sick, and people should not have to lose everything financially because a insurance company refused to pay for life saving treatment. the government has a moral obligation to care for the lives of its citizens.

    Or are the lives of citizens expendable?
    The government has no "moral" obligation. It's purpose is to govern. It was not created to be an emotional entity...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I completely agree that insurance companies should not be able to refuse to pay for treatment ever, preexisting conditions or not. This certainly could have been handled in another way though.

    An important fact to remember is that a lot of employers are going to dump their insurance for their employees because it will probably be cheaper for a lot of them to take the tax penalty instead of pay for insurance for all of their employees. Also, a lot of people will probably do the same, if they are young and healthy.

    For example, here in MA we have had these types of laws in effect for a long time. I figured out that I pay approximately 1500 a year for my health insurance coverage. If I dumped my health insurance covered and had to pay the tax penalty, it would be approximately a $600 penalty (I know this because I mistakenly did not renew my insurance one year and had to pay).
    it truely sickens me when the well being of a human being is worth less then profit.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    citizens.

    but that is what we pay taxes for.
    No its not. We pay taxes to fund the constitutional powers of the federal govt. Youre welcome to pass an amendment if you want to add health care to that.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    and being denied medical insurance simply for having a preexisting condition, something that is up to the insurance company to define, is what exactly? a sign of flawless freemarket principles?
    Pretty much. State laws already had this covered as each state saw fit.

    Preexisting conditions were covered after a wait period.

    If your support for the disaster called Obamacare was based on that, you bought into a BS line brought to you by a bunch of liars and misrepresenter's.
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