Page 5 of 47 FirstFirst ... 3456715 ... LastLast
Results 41 to 50 of 466

Thread: House Bill Defunds Health Care

  1. #41
    Sage
    Unitedwestand13's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Sunnyvale California
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:37 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    14,934

    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    The reason is a very, very simple one - and one that makes sense, if you think about it. Our legislators, regardless what letter is behind their name, know that once a bill becomes law, it becomes nearly impossible to repeal. You can change and alter it all you want, but the important thing is to get it passed - which explains Ms. Pelosi's statement "we need to pass the bill to know what's in it." She didn't CARE what was in it, all she cared about was that it get passed.

    Similarly, those of us who know the abomination that bill is and the danger it represents not only to our liberty but to the very definition of who we are as a nation did not, do not want the bill passed. We never wanted to abdicate 1/6th of this nation's economy to the control of the federal government, giving the federal government that much more power - in the largest chunk of power in this nation's history. When it did pass, our only alternative was to see that it never get implemented. Repeal, defunding, etc. are only practically possible soon after passage.

    Forget "health care" and think freedom and liberty. That's what Obamacare has ALWAYS been about for us.

    Consider too that progressives have been trying to shove this power grab down American's throats for over 100 years - about every 15 years or so some new progressive has put forth some form of government-run health care since Teddy Roosevelt first attempted it. Democrats what people to believe it's about "health care" - it's NOT. It has NEVER been about health care. It has ALWAYS been about power. Pure and simple. Raw power.
    and being denied medical insurance simply for having a preexisting condition, something that is up to the insurance company to define, is what exactly? a sign of flawless freemarket principles?

  2. #42
    Sage
    Unitedwestand13's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Sunnyvale California
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:37 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    14,934

    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    In the past the debt wasn't so large that it threatened the economic future of our country as much. We are at or nearly at the point that as we increase our debt we will not be able to keep up with the budget and will go into a debt spiral.

    Futhermore, No, the Congress has not passed a budget for at least 2 Congresses now and has been going on a "Continuing Resolution Budget". This should be Unconstitutional. Our representatives has NOT agreed to a budget in this Congress and should not be bound by the decisions of a prior Congress and since the only tool available to negotiate now is the purse.
    what exactly will the debt do to us? make china invade and buy up all our land?

  3. #43
    Pragmatist
    AlabamaPaul's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Alabama
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 11:17 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    8,834

    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    and being denied medical insurance simply for having a preexisting condition, something that is up to the insurance company to define, is what exactly? a sign of flawless freemarket principles?
    You're catching on. Why should insurance companies be forced to accept individuals who don't seek out their services until they need it?
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
    Quote Originally Posted by James D Hill View Post
    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

  4. #44
    Professor
    Shadow Serious's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Oklahoma
    Last Seen
    07-18-14 @ 07:06 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    1,460

    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Congress is trying to pass a bill to defund a law they passed, and if the law they passed isn't defunded by Congress, then Congress will decide to temporarily suspend the government they are responsible (while they themselves are still getting paid) for from work, and likely not pay the bills Congress accumulated.


    Take partisanship out of it for just a second and take a moment to think how utterly ridiculous this situation is.
    You mean a bill that was passed 2 Congresses ago. This Congress the House wants to repeal or modify the bill and the President and the Senate are not giveing this any consideration. However the President is making all sort of waivers on what was passed (but not on individuals or small businesses). If the President has to give so many waivers then it is a bad law and needs to be repealed or greatly modified.

    Also the government is not suspended and non-core services are put on hold. No doubt the President could still fraudulently threaten our Seniors with holding their SS payments (which are still funded by wage-payers).
    An Enlightened Master is ideal only if your goal is to become a Benighted Slave. -- Robert Anton Wilson

  5. #45
    double secret probation AngryOldGuy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Phx,Az
    Last Seen
    03-31-14 @ 10:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    2,917

    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Hey, guess what? It's Friday night, with Saturday and Sunday coming up. The government has shut down! Oh, no! What are we going to do?
    hah yeah wouldn't it be a real hoot if we actually did wind down the government? Privatize all the things they are currently involved in that they have no business doing and returning to some semblance of fiscal sanity? Never gonna happen but what does it hurt to dream?


  6. #46
    Sage
    Unitedwestand13's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Sunnyvale California
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:37 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    14,934

    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    You're catching on. Why should insurance companies be forced to accept individuals who don't seek out their services until they need it?
    because in perfectly just society, they would be accused of negligence if the individual seeking insurance dies because she could not afford to pay the costs of health insurance.

    doctors have something called the Hippocratic oath, maybe we should expect health insurance company's to swear a similar oath.

  7. #47
    Pragmatist
    AlabamaPaul's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Alabama
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 11:17 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    8,834

    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    because in perfectly just society, they would be accused of negligence if the individual seeking insurance dies because she could not afford to pay the costs of health insurance.

    doctors have something called the Hippocratic oath, maybe we should expect health insurance company's to swear a similar oath.
    Do you have similar convictions when discussing a doctor's participation in abortion? Insurance companies are in business to provide a service to those who pay premiums, not those who don't...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
    Quote Originally Posted by James D Hill View Post
    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

  8. #48
    Guru
    Republic Now!'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Last Seen
    09-12-14 @ 11:40 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    2,671

    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    and being denied medical insurance simply for having a preexisting condition, something that is up to the insurance company to define, is what exactly? a sign of flawless freemarket principles?
    No, one of the most important aspects of insurance. Buying insurance AFTER something has happened isn't insurance.
    One who makes himself a worm cannot complain when tread upon.

  9. #49
    double secret probation AngryOldGuy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Phx,Az
    Last Seen
    03-31-14 @ 10:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    2,917

    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    what exactly will the debt do to us? make china invade and buy up all our land?

  10. #50
    Professor
    Shadow Serious's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Oklahoma
    Last Seen
    07-18-14 @ 07:06 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    1,460

    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    If non-establishment Republicans need to re-learn the lesson from the last government shut down, let them. The establishment mostly doesn't want to see this happen again, but God knows others do.
    The media did not do their "job" in reporting the facts on the matter objectively before. This is a new time people have more access to information now and the people who are not dyed in the wool Dem supporters will be able to get info that the MSM doesn't want to discuss (and they will be forced to discuss it anyway). And remember there still is a majority of the population that does not like Obama Care.
    An Enlightened Master is ideal only if your goal is to become a Benighted Slave. -- Robert Anton Wilson

Page 5 of 47 FirstFirst ... 3456715 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •