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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Has Obamacare been in place that long? My, how time flies.
    Yep, the bill was passed in 2009. Debated for a year before that. All the arguments have been made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Yep, the bill was passed in 2009. Debated for a year before that. All the arguments have been made.
    I see.

    So now there's no longer any point in debating what's actually in the bill, only in which party supports it and which doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I see.

    So now there's no longer any point in debating what's actually in the bill, only in which party supports it and which doesn't.
    Pretty much. Thats what the Democrats got when they passed a significant bill which didnt have Republican support.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/19/us...ocDrMbeP5FlRag

    House Bill Cuts Health Funds, Raising Odds of U.S. Shutdown

    By JONATHAN WEISMAN and ASHLEY PARKER
    Published: September 18, 2013

    WASHINGTON — House Republican leaders — bowing to the demands of their conservative wing — will put to a vote on Friday a stopgap spending measure that would strip all funding from President Obama’s signature health care law, increasing the likelihood that the government will shut down in two weeks.


    So what's going on here? Another defeat Obamacare vote? And will this shut down the government like in the 90's? If so, will it come back to bite the Republicans in the a**?

    Why the urgency to defeat this "train wreck"? If that's what this is, why not let it fail and bring down its Democratic authors? Republicans have shown they can play politics with the welfare of the American people by threatening the full faith and credit of the country, so why not let the law destroy itself, then sweep in and take the credit for predicting it?

    My question is, do Republicans fear that ACA will not be the disaster they predict, or even worse, a success, and are trying to sabotage it before they look bad for opposing it? Or is this just a stunt to appease their radical right wing? "Obamacare delenda est"?
    I think that timing the shutdown with the implementation of the ACA is 100% intentional. A shutdown will certainly hurt the GDP, perhaps even throwing the economy into a recession. The GOP will then blame the recession on the ACA, even though it has already been priced into the economy. Sabotaging the US economy may actually help the GOP politically.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Pretty much. Thats what the Democrats got when they passed a significant bill which didnt have Republican support.
    Yep. It's all about partisan rancor, isn't it? It's part of the same partisanship that has resulted in a dysfunctional Congress.

    It's pathetic, that's what it really is.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    I think that timing the shutdown with the implementation of the ACA is 100% intentional. A shutdown will certainly hurt the GDP, perhaps even throwing the economy into a recession. The GOP will then blame the recession on the ACA, even though it has already been priced into the economy. Sabotaging the US economy may actually help the GOP politically.
    The tea party types are so demented, they probably think this will work.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    I think that timing the shutdown with the implementation of the ACA is 100% intentional. A shutdown will certainly hurt the GDP, perhaps even throwing the economy into a recession. The GOP will then blame the recession on the ACA, even though it has already been priced into the economy. Sabotaging the US economy may actually help the GOP politically.
    Thats very likely. I doubt that the gov shutdown will put us back into a recession though.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    I think that timing the shutdown with the implementation of the ACA is 100% intentional. A shutdown will certainly hurt the GDP, perhaps even throwing the economy into a recession. The GOP will then blame the recession on the ACA, even though it has already been priced into the economy. Sabotaging the US economy may actually help the GOP politically.
    Quite possibly. Even if the public shames the Republicans now, memory is quite short. The Republicans were as much to blame for the debt ceiling crisis in 2011 and that was pretty much forgotten by 2012. How the public treats them in 2014 will depend on what happens in 2014.
    "Obamacare delenda est"

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Quite possibly. Even if the public shames the Republicans now, memory is quite short. The Republicans were as much to blame for the debt ceiling crisis in 2011 and that was pretty much forgotten by 2012. How the public treats them in 2014 will depend on what happens in 2014.
    There's nothng for the GOP to be ashamed of. They did what they said, they FINALLY SHOWED A SPINE. This is what the People have been asking for. This is what will fire up the base, this is the will of the People. All polls show no one wants this.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yep. It's all about partisan rancor, isn't it? It's part of the same partisanship that has resulted in a dysfunctional Congress.

    It's pathetic, that's what it really is.
    Yes, its all about winning elections, and not about serving the people.

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