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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    I still think the Republicans oppose Obamacare because it was passed by the Democrats, and that the Democrats defend it for the same reason.

    No one seems to be interested in what's in it.

    individual mandate,
    stay on parents' policy to age 26,
    no more excluding "pre existing conditions",
    state by state groups that individuals can buy into,
    subsidized premiums for people without a lot of money,

    what is it that is so good/so bad?
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I still think the Republicans oppose Obamacare because it was passed by the Democrats, and that the Democrats defend it for the same reason.

    No one seems to be interested in what's in it.

    individual mandate,
    stay on parents' policy to age 26,
    no more excluding "pre existing conditions",
    state by state groups that individuals can buy into,
    subsidized premiums for people without a lot of money,

    what is it that is so good/so bad?
    Havent we had that debate for 5 years now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Havent we had that debate for 5 years now?
    Has Obamacare been in place that long? My, how time flies.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    1. I never said I supported Obamacare; I just think in the long run it will work out better than our current system.

    2. I don't think the Republicans should support it; however, I think the Republicans should respect the law and, if they want it repealed, to do that by winning elections rather than resort to shooting the hostage.
    Democrats should respect the law. The debt ceiling, is the law. It's there for a reason.
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    There are two types of Muslims, terrorists, and their enablers. They need to fix that if they want to be part of civilized society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    1. You know what? I agree, and GOOD. We should have single payer. We are the most prosperous nation on earth, we SHOULD be able to offer health care to our citizenry. I do not believe that the health and well-being of our citizens should be subject to the whims of social Darwinism.

    2. The Republicans are responsible to their financial benefactors, just like the Democrats are. Don't kid yourself that the Republicans are some mighty crusaders on some quest to do right by the people and the Democrats are evil charlatans who want to give all your money to the poors. That's hyperpartisan nonsense.

    RE: The bold ... according to Marbury v. Madison and the principle of judicial review, it is.
    The only way that would work is if you sterilized the poor. As long as the poor can pump out babies as fast as they want to it's a bottomless pit of need that will never be filled.
    Islam is an antiquated religion and needs to either modernize with the times or be completely eradicated.
    There are two types of Muslims, terrorists, and their enablers. They need to fix that if they want to be part of civilized society.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I still think the Republicans oppose Obamacare because it was passed by the Democrats, and that the Democrats defend it for the same reason.

    No one seems to be interested in what's in it.

    individual mandate,
    stay on parents' policy to age 26,
    no more excluding "pre existing conditions",
    state by state groups that individuals can buy into,
    subsidized premiums for people without a lot of money,

    what is it that is so good/so bad?
    They need to allow insurance companies to compete nationally and not just state by state. Right now only companies who's presence is in the state can do business in that state.
    The problem with insurance is it doesn't change the runaway spending of cost of medical care. The more people who can afford something the greater the demand, the more expensive it becomes. For example, student loans are responsible for making college tuitions going up. The more people who can afford something the bigger the demand, the higher the price.
    Islam is an antiquated religion and needs to either modernize with the times or be completely eradicated.
    There are two types of Muslims, terrorists, and their enablers. They need to fix that if they want to be part of civilized society.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    They need to allow insurance companies to compete nationally and not just state by state. Right now only companies who's presence is in the state can do business in that state.
    Actually, that is a myth. The truth is that any company can sell insurance in any state, but that they must follow the guidelines of the state in which they are doing business. They can't set up an office in a state that has few regulations, then sell in another state and ignore the laws in that state.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    The problem with insurance is it doesn't change the runaway spending of cost of medical care. The more people who can afford something the greater the demand, the more expensive it becomes. For example, student loans are responsible for making college tuitions going up. The more people who can afford something the bigger the demand, the higher the price.

    You have a good point there, but the fact of the matter is that most of our health care was covered by insurance before anyone thought of Obamacare.

    So, what about the points you just quoted, are any of them a problem? Are there other parts of the bill that I didn't post?
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/19/us...ocDrMbeP5FlRag

    House Bill Cuts Health Funds, Raising Odds of U.S. Shutdown

    By JONATHAN WEISMAN and ASHLEY PARKER
    Published: September 18, 2013

    WASHINGTON — House Republican leaders — bowing to the demands of their conservative wing — will put to a vote on Friday a stopgap spending measure that would strip all funding from President Obama’s signature health care law, increasing the likelihood that the government will shut down in two weeks.


    So what's going on here? Another defeat Obamacare vote? And will this shut down the government like in the 90's? If so, will it come back to bite the Republicans in the a**?

    Why the urgency to defeat this "train wreck"? If that's what this is, why not let it fail and bring down its Democratic authors? Republicans have shown they can play politics with the welfare of the American people by threatening the full faith and credit of the country, so why not let the law destroy itself, then sweep in and take the credit for predicting it?

    My question is, do Republicans fear that ACA will not be the disaster they predict, or even worse, a success, and are trying to sabotage it before they look bad for opposing it? Or is this just a stunt to appease their radical right wing? "Obamacare delenda est"?
    Though I think die Republicans are also to fault, I certainly dislike the President running the country in such a reckless way. He has known this was coming for long enough to reduce government spending. He didn't and that is irresponsible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    1. I never said I supported Obamacare; I just think in the long run it will work out better than our current system.

    2. I don't think the Republicans should support it; however, I think the Republicans should respect the law and, if they want it repealed, to do that by winning elections rather than resort to shooting the hostage.
    "shooting the hostage" LOL. That's exactly what the Democrats did when they passed this disaster and what they continue to do. Not one respectable poll from the start of this mess as shown that the American people want Obamacare. Not one.

    The Republicans have done the other part. They won elections. At this point the democrats can continue their un-American ways by continuing to ram this down our throats or they can do it the American way, what the people want. But I suspect they will allow the phony government shutdown and try to distract the American people with fear mongering which is really all they are good for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    "shooting the hostage" LOL. That's exactly what the Democrats did when they passed this disaster and what they continue to do. Not one respectable poll from the start of this mess as shown that the American people want Obamacare. Not one.

    The Republicans have done the other part. They won elections. At this point the democrats can continue their un-American ways by continuing to ram this down our throats or they can do it the American way, what the people want. But I suspect they will allow the phony government shutdown and try to distract the American people with fear mongering which is really all they are good for.


    So what your saying is Democrats are un American because they dont believe in what I believe so I gotta ask please back this statement up. Was this not a Republican idea. Why did they not offer something better. Do not blame the Senate on this because Republicans had 8 years to do this under Bush and they didnt lift a finger. So tell me what is un American about trying to take care of Americans? Its better than bobming third world countries that never posed a threat or arming terroirist who some 20 years later run planes into towers?

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