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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Conservatives and Republicans are more than happy when Democrats take Republican ideas and apply them to their legislation.... we simply request that you not take ideas from our trash cans.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Well it makes sense considering the only collectivists who believe the program is a good idea are the elitist progressives and their sheep while the rest of society that actually work blue collar jobs or those who own small businesses (or even franchises) including democrats know it's epic bull****....

    The only difference is that the progressives/democrats opposed to this socialist nonsense want "waivers" while the rest of us non-socialists and non-democrats want it repealed entirely...

    Democrats and progressives are fine with it just as long as they don't have to abide by it...

    The progressives major voting block - the labor unions are calling bull****....
    Now I have to (or gotz to) quote myself...

    I think Jay Carney's recent comments backup my claims...

    "I would if I didn't have an existing health care plan" really Jay? what plan is that? the private subsidized taxpayer funded health care plan? Or Obamacare...

    What a snug POS...

    What an assclown....

    In short - if that little squirrel was honest he would have said "no."
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Dont you get tired of that talking point?


    http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/...f-05-11-11.pdf
    Thank you! I finally get an intelligent retort.

    Nonetheless, I am certain you can appreciate the awkward position Heritiage Foundation is in in all of this, originally advocating a mandate (maybe not the same type) and then trying to write friend of the court briefs to take essentially the opposite position. I am certain this is quite nuanced. I still appreciate the intelligent response with good information from which I can learn something rather than the yahoo responses simply telling me I am ignorant, but without an defense of such a position.

    I will enjoy reading this and reconciling it to their original work and the mandate that is now a part of law.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Yeah, really?
    And because you DO support Obama Care obviously you do not want the Republicans to do anything but support it. You will have to accept that there are people who do not and will do anything that they can to stop Obama Care in its tracks and to repeal it.

    Anyway given that the Obama administration is giving out waivers to most big Corporations and Unions it would only be fair to delay it if there is such a problem in implementing it for the big guys. Or do you think that the average joe and the small employer should just eat the cost that the more well endowed in influence and money gets to avoid.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    Regardless of their origin, many ideas supported by the GOP and included in their own pieces of legislation made it into the ACA. Rather than acknowledge that, the GOP played games throughout the entire legislative process that produced the ACA.

    Senate Republicans Block Own Amendments on Health Care Bill - YouTube
    From what I could understand was the Democrats were trying to roll up all Republican proposed amendments in to one vote to allow to be on the floor so that the proposed amendments could then be voted on or did the Democrats just vote down any discussion on the proposed amendments and thus did not allow the opportunity to be able to add them to the bill. Obviously the Republicans did not want their ideas to be denied in one vote and insisted that some of the amendments be voted for separately.

    Question: Did the Democrats in the Senate allow any of the proposed amendments to be voted by the floor and thus give the opportunity for the Senate to adopt these amendments or did just shut the Republians out of the process.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    And because you DO support Obama Care obviously you do not want the Republicans to do anything but support it. You will have to accept that there are people who do not and will do anything that they can to stop Obama Care in its tracks and to repeal it.

    Anyway given that the Obama administration is giving out waivers to most big Corporations and Unions it would only be fair to delay it if there is such a problem in implementing it for the big guys. Or do you think that the average joe and the small employer should just eat the cost that the more well endowed in influence and money gets to avoid.
    1. I never said I supported Obamacare; I just think in the long run it will work out better than our current system.

    2. I don't think the Republicans should support it; however, I think the Republicans should respect the law and, if they want it repealed, to do that by winning elections rather than resort to shooting the hostage.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    1. I never said I supported Obamacare; I just think in the long run it will work out better than our current system.

    2. I don't think the Republicans should support it; however, I think the Republicans should respect the law and, if they want it repealed, to do that by winning elections rather than resort to shooting the hostage.

    1. I disagree that Obama Care is better than what we had before. And I think it was desined that way so there would be Single Payer.

    2. The Republicans are responsible to their constituency and have swore a Oath to uphold the Constitution. The Supreme Court is not the final say in a law being Constitutional.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    1. I disagree that Obama Care is better than what we had before. And I think it was desined that way so there would be Single Payer.

    2. The Republicans are responsible to their constituency and have swore a Oath to uphold the Constitution. The Supreme Court is not the final say in a law being Constitutional.
    1. You know what? I agree, and GOOD. We should have single payer. We are the most prosperous nation on earth, we SHOULD be able to offer health care to our citizenry. I do not believe that the health and well-being of our citizens should be subject to the whims of social Darwinism.

    2. The Republicans are responsible to their financial benefactors, just like the Democrats are. Don't kid yourself that the Republicans are some mighty crusaders on some quest to do right by the people and the Democrats are evil charlatans who want to give all your money to the poors. That's hyperpartisan nonsense.

    RE: The bold ... according to Marbury v. Madison and the principle of judicial review, it is.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    1. You know what? I agree, and GOOD. We should have single payer. We are the most prosperous nation on earth, we SHOULD be able to offer health care to our citizenry. I do not believe that the health and well-being of our citizens should be subject to the whims of social Darwinism.

    2. The Republicans are responsible to their financial benefactors, just like the Democrats are. Don't kid yourself that the Republicans are some mighty crusaders on some quest to do right by the people and the Democrats are evil charlatans who want to give all your money to the poors. That's hyperpartisan nonsense.

    RE: The bold ... according to Marbury v. Madison and the principle of judicial review, it is.

    1. Then with respect to Obama Care I count you as one of those who intend it to fail to make Single Payer more palatable.

    2. The Dem Benefactors tend to be the on the Forbes' 500 List. The Benefators of the Republicans are a bit more modest than that. Some Republicans actually do believe in limited government and Constitutional Limits. Democrats do want to give crumbs from the government table but they have ulterior motives. It is naive to believe that only Republicans support the big man and Democarts want to give to the poor because they are such nice people.

    RE: RE The bold ... Marbury v. Madison was the beginning of the end of Constitutional limits on government and the Authors of the Constitution never intended for one branch to be the final word whether a law passed or other acts by government were Constitutional (checks and balances).
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Thank you! I finally get an intelligent retort.

    Nonetheless, I am certain you can appreciate the awkward position Heritiage Foundation is in in all of this, originally advocating a mandate (maybe not the same type) and then trying to write friend of the court briefs to take essentially the opposite position. I am certain this is quite nuanced. I still appreciate the intelligent response with good information from which I can learn something rather than the yahoo responses simply telling me I am ignorant, but without an defense of such a position.

    I will enjoy reading this and reconciling it to their original work and the mandate that is now a part of law.
    I think they are in a horrible position trying to defend themselves against the double standard whereby Obama can take any and every position on an issue and get away with it, yet conservatives cant. Obama will make opposing statements in the same sentence and no one cares. Heritage think tanks an idea 20 years ago, rejects it, and suddently they are responsible forever.

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