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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post

    The Republicans were not permitted to bring forth any ideas at all in either the House or the Senate by the Democratic Leaders.
    Regardless of their origin, many ideas supported by the GOP and included in their own pieces of legislation made it into the ACA. Rather than acknowledge that, the GOP played games throughout the entire legislative process that produced the ACA.

    Senate Republicans Block Own Amendments on Health Care Bill - YouTube

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Excellent point. Obama care is, after all, an idea conceived by the Heritage Foundation and tested by Republican leadership in Massachusetts. It is, in fact, one of the very few Republican ideas of the last 100 years.
    Dont you get tired of that talking point?

    Heritage policy experts never supported an unqualified mandate like that in the PPACA [ObamaCare]. Their prior support for a qualified mandate was limited to catastrophic coverage (true insurance that is precisely what the PPACA forbids), coupled with tax relief for all families and other reforms that are conspicuously absent from the PPACA. Since then, a growing body of research has provided a strong basis to conclude that any government insurance mandate is not only unnecessary, but is a bad policy option. Moreover, Heritage’s legal scholars have been consistent in explaining that the type of mandate in the PPACA is unconstitutional.
    http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/...f-05-11-11.pdf

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    The Author of the Article was disputing that the Military (of the USA) is a institution of Socialism.
    Yep; you're correct. I got a little ahead of myself there, the original assertion being so absurd I flew right past my own point.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Could've fooled me.
    I didn't fool you at all. You simply want to turn it into a team issue. I'm simply discussing the non-partisan issue.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    And you are complaining that the Republicans are doing something to correct it.
    No, I was not. At least not in this thread.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    I understand what you have been told to believe, the Obamacare is as close the Massachusetts plan as close gets....

    Obamacare vs Romneycare - Difference and Comparison | Diffen
    PolitiFact | Romney says his health care bill affected far smaller percentage of people than Obama's
    RomneyCare vs. ObamaCare which is better? - Health Stew - Boston.com
    Romneycare and Obamacare Differ Only in Inconsequential Ways - The Daily Beast
    Check out this chart comparing RomneyCare to ObamaCare - Conservative Byte

    Yep, each one of these articles tells you how Romneycare is nothing like Obamacare..... yeah, right (they are practically twins)

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    ... and if it is a FACT that the Heritage Foundation abandoned their own idea as unworkable, you should have NO problem producing proof for this..... otherwise, the proposition stands that the individual mandate is a Heritage Foundation idea.

    Health insurance mandate began as a Republican idea - The Boston Globe

    Just because you say it is so, does not make it so... let's see your proof.
    Start with the fact it's a state program, and not a National program. Then please indicate how it's paid for.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Dont you get tired of that talking point?



    http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/...f-05-11-11.pdf
    Nah. They don't. It's been thoroughly discredited, but even some who claim to be "conservative", right leaning, and the like can be found nodding their pointed little heads in agreement.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Excellent point. Obama care is, after all, an idea conceived by the Heritage Foundation and tested by Republican leadership in Massachusetts. It is, in fact, one of the very few Republican ideas of the last 100 years.
    Greetings, upsideguy.

    At the time that the healthcare bill was being conceived in Massachusetts, both houses were solidly Democrat. All Romney did was sign a Democrat-sponsored bill into law. If that makes Republicans the owners of same, considering that a veto from him would have been overturned, call it what you will.

    On the other hand, if it were that great, why are we having the problems we are seeing with Obamacare, another Democrat sponsored healthcare bill? When a majority of Americans don't want or like it, there usually is a good reason, not even counting the lies about it that are now becoming apparent...cost, doctor shortage, access to tests determined by beaurocrats in DC and not your doctor, etc. And most important, why the urgent cries to be exempted from such a great plan? :

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Nah. They don't. It's been thoroughly discredited, but even some who claim to be "conservative", right leaning, and the like can be found nodding their pointed little heads in agreement.
    Its standard moral relativism. We cant defend something, so we try to make you stink too.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    I know. I will admit it does bother me that some of the GOP just can't help but put their two cents worth into anything. If the democrats bring a steaming pile of **** into congress, some brain dead republican is willing to contribute a few flies. It's maddening sometimes.
    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Its standard moral relativism. We cant defend something, so we try to make you stink too.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Excellent point. Obama care is, after all, an idea conceived by the Heritage Foundation and tested by Republican leadership in Massachusetts. It is, in fact, one of the very few Republican ideas of the last 100 years.
    Conservatives and Republicans are more than happy when Democrats take Republican ideas and apply them to their legislation.... we simply request that you not take ideas from our trash cans.

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