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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    Becuase they offered it and the Republicans had no ideas, the thing that gets me is this was a problem back in 2000 and Bush and the Republicans went on a war rampage and dumped a couple of trillion dollars chasing their tail. Now they want to cry foul.
    Let me try to explain what happed during the time the Obamacare was being touted by the Democrats to answer your question about there being no Republican ideas.


    The Republicans were not permitted to bring forth any ideas at all in either the House or the Senate by the Democratic Leaders.


    With respect to the year 2000 we had a little issue with an organization called Al Queida and a war with a country that we thought had chemical weapons. Given that a Universal Health Care is a Democratic issue, did they make any inquiries with the Republicans on anything that could be agreed to? I doubt they would want to do anything on that issue since it could be used to attack the Republicans and Democrats do not want to "compromise" unless they can get they whole thing latter and any deal with the Republicans before the Democrats could control both Houses in Congress and the Presidency would lessen an urgency that would compel the more moderate Democrats to agree to a more radical bill.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    No, I'm the one who noted the utter absurdity of the position we are currently in.
    But a very accurate one.
    And you are complaining that the Republicans are doing something to correct it.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    Let me try to explain what happed during the time the Obamacare was being touted by the Democrats to answer your question about there being no Republican ideas.


    The Republicans were not permitted to bring forth any ideas at all in either the House or the Senate by the Democratic Leaders.


    With respect to the year 2000 we had a little issue with an organization called Al Queida and a war with a country that we thought had chemical weapons. Given that a Universal Health Care is a Democratic issue, did they make any inquiries with the Republicans on anything that could be agreed to? I doubt they would want to do anything on that issue since it could be used to attack the Republicans and Democrats do not want to "compromise" unless they can get they whole thing latter and any deal with the Republicans before the Democrats could control both Houses in Congress and the Presidency would lessen an urgency that would compel the more moderate Democrats to agree to a more radical bill.
    Excellent point. Obama care is, after all, an idea conceived by the Heritage Foundation and tested by Republican leadership in Massachusetts. It is, in fact, one of the very few Republican ideas of the last 100 years.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Excellent point. Obama care is, after all, an idea conceived by the Heritage Foundation and tested by Republican leadership in Massachusetts. It is, in fact, one of the very few Republican ideas of the last 100 years.
    Apparently ocean515 already answered your point (he was answering a post by Carleen) :


    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I understand what you have been told to believe. The fact is, the Herritage Foundation abandoned their plan as unworkable, and the plan in Massechusetts looks nothing like Obamacare.
    One idea by the Republicans would be that States would have to allow more variety of plans that are offered to State residents.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    One must beware the socialists in both parties. The Establishment Republicans are only a little less bad than all of the Democrats.
    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    More nutty talk from the rightwing. I guess thats the new scare word "Socialist". Funny thing is we have many forms of socialism that the Reoublicans just love its called the Military.
    So do you suggest that we have private armies? The Military is one of the very few things that a government should be the sole entity allowed to do. And do you hope to convince that Obama Care is free market or not really a government mandated program?
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I understand what you have been told to believe. The fact is, the Herritage Foundation abandoned their plan as unworkable, and the plan in Massechusetts looks nothing like Obamacare.

    It seem apparent nobody has told you the connections don't work. But it's certainly a lazy way to not make a point.
    I understand what you have been told to believe, the Obamacare is as close the Massachusetts plan as close gets....

    http://www.diffen.com/difference/Oba..._vs_Romneycare
    PolitiFact | Romney says his health care bill affected far smaller percentage of people than Obama's
    http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/heal...are_which.html
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...tial-ways.html
    http://conservativebyte.com/2012/01/...-to-obamacare/

    Yep, each one of these articles tells you how Romneycare is nothing like Obamacare..... yeah, right (they are practically twins)

    The Romneycare Obamacare twins.jpg


    ... and if it is a FACT that the Heritage Foundation abandoned their own idea as unworkable, you should have NO problem producing proof for this..... otherwise, the proposition stands that the individual mandate is a Heritage Foundation idea.

    Health insurance mandate began as a Republican idea - The Boston Globe

    Just because you say it is so, does not make it so... let's see your proof.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    Apparently ocean515 already answered your point (he was answering a post by Carleen) :




    One idea by the Republicans would be that States would have to allow more variety of plans that are offered to State residents.
    Ocean offered up only his impressions and wishful thinking. That an $2 gets you a Venti coffee at Starbucks..... come to think of it, it would be $2 with or without Ocean's opinion... which, I guess makes his opinion worthless.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    IS THE UNITED STATES MILITARY A SOCIALIST INSTITUTION? | Citizen Tom


    Before you use the word you may want to learn what the word is the milirtary is in fact socialism. Sorry to burst your bubble
    The author of the article disputed the propositition that the Military is an institution of Socialism.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Providing a service explicitly written into the Constitution is not Socialism, contrary to any links you may choose to post...
    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Did you even bother to read that blog?? He makes an assertion then completely fails to back it up. He quotes the dictionary definition of socialism then fails to make any case whatsoever how the military applies to that. I hate to burst your bubble, but an individual blogger's unfounded opinion on what constitutes socialism, especially w/r to the military fails miserably.
    The Author of the Article was disputing that the Military (of the USA) is a institution of Socialism.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    Not funding Obamacare IS the point.
    Yeah, really?
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