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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    What it accomplishes is it takes a massively flawed and growingly unpopular bill and puts it front and center again.

    Then, the Dems have to re-establish their support of its KNOWN flaws, then force Obama to veto it and support a bill he continues to delay implementation because of these KNOWN flaws.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    What it accomplishes is it takes a massively flawed and growingly unpopular bill and puts it front and center again.

    Then, the Dems have to re-establish their support of its KNOWN flaws, then force Obama to veto it and support a bill he continues to delay implementation because of these KNOWN flaws.
    or the senate will vote to remove the language that removes funding for the affordable care act and then send it back to the house

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/19/us...ocDrMbeP5FlRag

    House Bill Cuts Health Funds, Raising Odds of U.S. Shutdown

    By JONATHAN WEISMAN and ASHLEY PARKER
    Published: September 18, 2013

    WASHINGTON — House Republican leaders — bowing to the demands of their conservative wing — will put to a vote on Friday a stopgap spending measure that would strip all funding from President Obama’s signature health care law, increasing the likelihood that the government will shut down in two weeks.


    So what's going on here? Another defeat Obamacare vote? And will this shut down the government like in the 90's? If so, will it come back to bite the Republicans in the a**?

    Why the urgency to defeat this "train wreck"? If that's what this is, why not let it fail and bring down its Democratic authors? Republicans have shown they can play politics with the welfare of the American people by threatening the full faith and credit of the country, so why not let the law destroy itself, then sweep in and take the credit for predicting it?

    My question is, do Republicans fear that ACA will not be the disaster they predict, or even worse, a success, and are trying to sabotage it before they look bad for opposing it? Or is this just a stunt to appease their radical right wing? "Obamacare delenda est"?
    To minimize damage. To take a nautical metaphor, our ship of state has a course that will run aground on a reef. Are you saying that we should just let it do so for the temporary benefit of nailing the Democrats with the blame? Would not a mark of a statesman be to prevent this?

    Furthermore, this Obama Care is a threat to Liberty. I would not risk allowing it to go any further than I would have to and I do not think that the Republicans should do so either.

    Obama Care is going to make health care more expensive, more scarce and rationed, and an decreasingly lower quality of care as long as it exists.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/19/us...ocDrMbeP5FlRag

    House Bill Cuts Health Funds, Raising Odds of U.S. Shutdown

    By JONATHAN WEISMAN and ASHLEY PARKER
    Published: September 18, 2013

    WASHINGTON — House Republican leaders — bowing to the demands of their conservative wing — will put to a vote on Friday a stopgap spending measure that would strip all funding from President Obama’s signature health care law, increasing the likelihood that the government will shut down in two weeks.


    So what's going on here? Another defeat Obamacare vote? And will this shut down the government like in the 90's? If so, will it come back to bite the Republicans in the a**?

    Why the urgency to defeat this "train wreck"? If that's what this is, why not let it fail and bring down its Democratic authors? Republicans have shown they can play politics with the welfare of the American people by threatening the full faith and credit of the country, so why not let the law destroy itself, then sweep in and take the credit for predicting it?

    My question is, do Republicans fear that ACA will not be the disaster they predict, or even worse, a success, and are trying to sabotage it before they look bad for opposing it? Or is this just a stunt to appease their radical right wing? "Obamacare delenda est"?
    A government shut down didn't bite Republicans in the ass the last time... the only thing that bite them in the ass were the propagandists... and Americans have a lower regard for the media than they do government. Republicans picked up seats after the last shut down.

    ObamaKare is defined a "train wreck" by Demokrats, and the term comes from one of the authors. So... they should know what a **** up it is.

    As far as playing with the full faith and credit of the US, that mountain of debt 16 or 17 TRILLION, and 60 TRILLION of unfunded liabilities is due to Socialist legislation.

    Even Demokrats like Buffett see ObamaKare as an abortion. It's simply time to take this one to the toxic waste dump and dispose of it. Step 1 is accomplished.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    And House loons use the Bible as cover.
    These House phony Christians have already received their reward, as their Bible tells them.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    or the senate will vote to remove the language that removes funding for the affordable care act and then send it back to the house
    Which they will, but you will see 3-5 up for re-election in 2014 Democratic party Senators vote against that move, just to CYA.

    Still, when the exchanges open up on Oct 1st and its a total cluster-fark( see WSJ: Obamacare Software Can't 'Reliably Determine' Enrollees' Eligibility For Subsidies - Forbes ), maybe more Democrats will see the writing on the wall and move for "permanent" delay. note: definition of "permanent" is at the discretion of HHS and IRS, unless the law is changed.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

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    once you actually have people participating in a social welfare program it is ridiculously difficult to take it away
    only one way that these entitlement programs can be ended that comes to mind: Sovereign default
    Think the unthinkable?

    Well short of such a cataclysmic end, I have to imagine the future generations will chafe under the yoke of the ruinous taxation required to keep these wealth transfer schemes afloat. Means testing and a general winding down of these programs won't retire the debt but perhaps some other way of dealing with that besides monetization will be concocted? I think we can all agree we can't continue down this merry path forever?
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/19/us...ocDrMbeP5FlRag

    House Bill Cuts Health Funds, Raising Odds of U.S. Shutdown

    By JONATHAN WEISMAN and ASHLEY PARKER
    Published: September 18, 2013

    WASHINGTON — House Republican leaders — bowing to the demands of their conservative wing — will put to a vote on Friday a stopgap spending measure that would strip all funding from President Obama’s signature health care law, increasing the likelihood that the government will shut down in two weeks.


    So what's going on here? Another defeat Obamacare vote? And will this shut down the government like in the 90's? If so, will it come back to bite the Republicans in the a**?

    Why the urgency to defeat this "train wreck"? If that's what this is, why not let it fail and bring down its Democratic authors? Republicans have shown they can play politics with the welfare of the American people by threatening the full faith and credit of the country, so why not let the law destroy itself, then sweep in and take the credit for predicting it?

    My question is, do Republicans fear that ACA will not be the disaster they predict, or even worse, a success, and are trying to sabotage it before they look bad for opposing it? Or is this just a stunt to appease their radical right wing? "Obamacare delenda est"?
    The reason is a very, very simple one - and one that makes sense, if you think about it. Our legislators, regardless what letter is behind their name, know that once a bill becomes law, it becomes nearly impossible to repeal. You can change and alter it all you want, but the important thing is to get it passed - which explains Ms. Pelosi's statement "we need to pass the bill to know what's in it." She didn't CARE what was in it, all she cared about was that it get passed.

    Similarly, those of us who know the abomination that bill is and the danger it represents not only to our liberty but to the very definition of who we are as a nation did not, do not want the bill passed. We never wanted to abdicate 1/6th of this nation's economy to the control of the federal government, giving the federal government that much more power - in the largest chunk of power in this nation's history. When it did pass, our only alternative was to see that it never get implemented. Repeal, defunding, etc. are only practically possible soon after passage.

    Forget "health care" and think freedom and liberty. That's what Obamacare has ALWAYS been about for us.

    Consider too that progressives have been trying to shove this power grab down American's throats for over 100 years - about every 15 years or so some new progressive has put forth some form of government-run health care since Teddy Roosevelt first attempted it. Democrats what people to believe it's about "health care" - it's NOT. It has NEVER been about health care. It has ALWAYS been about power. Pure and simple. Raw power.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    The only people who are using it for political purposes are those who refuse to pass it. The debt ceiling should be a non-issue; it is just a means of funding spending programs that were already approved. There shouldn't even be any negotiation required on either side about this. If you didn't want to pay for the spending programs, you shouldn't have voted for them. This is why it was never an issue in the past.
    In the past the debt wasn't so large that it threatened the economic future of our country as much. We are at or nearly at the point that as we increase our debt we will not be able to keep up with the budget and will go into a debt spiral.

    Futhermore, No, the Congress has not passed a budget for at least 2 Congresses now and has been going on a "Continuing Resolution Budget". This should be Unconstitutional. Our representatives has NOT agreed to a budget in this Congress and should not be bound by the decisions of a prior Congress and since the only tool available to negotiate now is the purse.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Hey, guess what? It's Friday night, with Saturday and Sunday coming up. The government has shut down! Oh, no! What are we going to do?
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