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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    If I were King for a day I'd make teaching Ayn Rand's objectivist epistemology mandatory for all grade school children.
    Then when shiite like the ACA or the chance to offer yourself up as a sacrifice to the military industrial complex came along
    everyone would say: get thee heck away from me!
    Objectivism is one of the most ethically and morally bankrupt philosophies out there.
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    Altruism socialism communism caused the Soviet Union to remain a 3rd world country and is attempting to bankrupt this nation,
    once the richest on earth.

    liberalism is moral cowardice

    Liberals are by nature insecure people desperately trying to socially legitimize a fundamentally illegitimate ideology.

    liberals are immoral


    They just plain make me sick

    at least now I'll have free 3rd world healthcare?
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    Altruism socialism communism caused the Soviet Union to remain a 3rd world country and is attempting to bankrupt this nation,
    once the richest on earth.
    Wait, altruism is, to you, the same as socialism, which is the same as communism?

    Also, the Soviet Union was never a third world country.

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    Wow, the American Thinker. A less aptly named website, I cannot fathom.

    Moronic anti-liberal hit pieces by conservative blogs? Really?
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    yes yer guys stuff is the exact polar opposite of:
    individualism yer collectivists
    Capitalism yer all a buncha bankrupt socialists
    a Constitutional Republic vs this perversion we have now
    hell yeah yer all a buncha yellow bellied commies but now that Obamacare/IRS has me by the private parts I'll tow the line?
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Nice try but no sale. It is difficult to have intelligent debate when you don't lay all the cards on the table. But it's no surprise as when the bill was rammed down the throats of Americans, who didn't want this bill to pass, the same tactic was employed.

    States were allowed to set up their own exchanges. But the law says states don't have to if they don't want to and the federal government will have to do it. The only fit being throw is by the feds because they are required to in states that don't want to carry the water for them. The feds of course have failed. No surprise there.

    Like people that live in the other 49 states (or is it 56), I don't care what Colorado does, I don't live there. (Thank goodness).

    Obamacare is not going to stop people from going to the ER for healthcare. There is not enough Doctors in America for everybody to have a personal care physician. I suppose the feds will try to get around that by requiring people to see a Nurse or somebody with a first aid badge from the boy scouts but people are still going to head to the ER. So there goes that make believe savings. The only difference is the taxpayers will get stung twice instead of once for the same ER visit.

    Studies have already shown that having health insurance has little positive effect on a persons health. I think it was the state of Oregon that disproved that theory. So wave good by to that money we're supposed to saving. Funny how government programs have that happen all the time.

    $1,000 a year to pay for the uninsured? I haven't seen the figure before but lets say it's true. Now deduct the cost of Obamacare . Opps, it was cheaper for everybody not to have this law. No cost savings there. Last week I saw an interview with this Obamacare guru on TV and she laid it out plain. It would have been much cheaper to leave everybody alone except for the people that didn't have health insurance and for the feds just to buy it for those that didn't. That didn't happen of course as the real purpose behind this law is not health care or health insurance but controlling peoples lives to the Dems satisfaction.

    If the insurance companies have so much to gain why are some dropping coverage in some places? That's right, there is nothing for them to gain but plenty for them to lose. But this is what the Dems wanted anyway. Providing health insurance was just a lie to get them to a position where they can falsely claim a single payer system is the way to go.

    CBO? LOL. Remember the cost of Obamacare was only to cost 1 Trillion for ten years when the Dems were telling their lies to the American people. Last I saw it is now 2 Trillion. CBO did both estimates. The way you keep your head in the sand on Obamacare I wouldn't expect you to point that out.

    This law is a disaster.
    Interesting.... I make assertions and back them up with third party support.... you make assertions and offer nothing (but your impressions) Do you think anyone's mind is persuaded because you saw some unnamed " Obamacare guru and she laid it out plain" how weak is that? (pretty damn weak) or "studies have shown".... (what studies? by whom? were they independent or scientific or simply created to support a position?.... the statement "studies have shown" is meaningless). Sorry, but you should have supported each of the bolded statements. If you spent a little time backing up your impressions, you might actually learn some of your impressions are wrong (for one, the CBO NEVER adjusted the total cost of Obamacare from $1T to $2T), affirm and extend what you do know, and contribute the something of substance to the overall DP knowledge base.

    Sorry, this rant is to a global audience, not you. There are plenty of intellectually lazy posters on this board. I'm often wonder why they spend any time here if all they are doing is shooting from the hip. I would think people would want to learn something; if not from those with which they spar, at least for themselves as they build (and support) their arguments.

    It does no one any good to argue with you impressions, least of all you.... if your impressions are wrong, you more than anyone needs to know that. It Ain't Right!

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    US braces for shutdown a week before budget deadline

    In 1995, essential services like military operations, air traffic control and border security were uninterrupted, but programs not considered essential were shut down.

    Garbage piled up in Washington, and research at the National Institutes of Health ground to a halt.

    One of the most visible effects was on tourism: all 368 National Park Service sites closed, as did Smithsonian museums, disappointing seven million tourists.

    When the dust settled, Gingrich was largely blamed for the debacle -- though he argues that the compromise resolution led to four straight years of balanced budgets.


    I was SURE republican controlled Senate and House created the booming economy of Clintons administration, But the liberalas credit Clinton for balancing the budget and a strong economy resulting. We need ancient liberal programs like "balanced budget" again! Funny, I thought balanced budget was OUR intent? Anyway, maybe we could reach agreement on balanced budget since the democrats admire Clinton for doing it!

    A balanced budget amendment REQUIRING all future budgets balance AND dismissal of IRS, repeal of income tax in favor of a fair tax, those concessions on part of democrats MIGHT be a fair exchange for Obama care. They gotta give up SOMETHING!

    My way or the highway, is a two edged sword. Defunding obamacare is only "What goes around, comes around!". Jamm obamacare down our throats will you Mr Obama? Then we have the power AND the RIGHT to defund it!
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    More nutty talk from the rightwing. I guess thats the new scare word "Socialist". Funny thing is we have many forms of socialism that the Reoublicans just love its called the Military.
    It is not a new word nor is it a new concept. It is an old European idea that should have been left in Europe. It is wrong for any free people to be enslaved by socialists and the wrongheaded idea that an authoritarian central planner knows more about an individual's needs than the individual does.

    If the military was socialist liberals would flock to it. Do they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    IS THE UNITED STATES MILITARY A SOCIALIST INSTITUTION? | Citizen Tom


    Before you use the word you may want to learn what the word is the milirtary is in fact socialism. Sorry to burst your bubble
    No apology neccesary. I know what it is. If you want to convince me otherwise, make an argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Interesting.... I make assertions and back them up with third party support.... you make assertions and offer nothing (but your impressions) Do you think anyone's mind is persuaded because you saw some unnamed " Obamacare guru and she laid it out plain" how weak is that? (pretty damn weak) or "studies have shown".... (what studies? by whom? were they independent or scientific or simply created to support a position?.... the statement "studies have shown" is meaningless). Sorry, but you should have supported each of the bolded statements. If you spent a little time backing up your impressions, you might actually learn some of your impressions are wrong (for one, the CBO NEVER adjusted the total cost of Obamacare from $1T to $2T), affirm and extend what you do know, and contribute the something of substance to the overall DP knowledge base.

    Sorry, this rant is to a global audience, not you. There are plenty of intellectually lazy posters on this board. I'm often wonder why they spend any time here if all they are doing is shooting from the hip. I would think people would want to learn something; if not from those with which they spar, at least for themselves as they build (and support) their arguments.

    It does no one any good to argue with you impressions, least of all you.... if your impressions are wrong, you more than anyone needs to know that. It Ain't Right!
    Oh, I see now. You have to be held by your hand and have well know public knowledge pointed out to you. Tell me, do you stick your head in the sand all by yourself or does someone else help you?

    Don't panic though. This one time, I'll point out well know public knowledge items for you. But for the future, you need to learn how to acquire this type info on your own. It shouldn't be hard or difficult, just remember to acquire the well known public knowledge items from another place from where you are not getting them.

    Lets start with this one: CBO: Obamacare costs double to $1.8 trillion in first decade | WashingtonExaminer.com
    The title alone supports my point.

    Now this one: Oregon Study: Medicaid 'Had No Significant Effect' On Health Outcomes vs. Being Uninsured - Forbes
    Once again, the title alone supports my position.

    On to this one: MMS: Error
    This time the title alone can't help you. But you will find this in their report that shows the majority never wanted Obamacare to start with.: "shows the level of overall public support for the legislation in the weeks immediately before enactment. In none of the 10 polls did a majority favor the proposed legislation."
    Note: This article would not hot link. But the info is in the NEJM article number 1003844
    Note 2: Change that, it did hot link after all even though it shows error.

    Yes you are correct there are intellectually lazy posters on this board. They include the ones that pretend well know public knowledge items don't exist or are not aware of them. Why people don't want to learn these things or refuse to learn these things
    , I can't answer for.

    It does no good to argue with someone that is incapable of acquiring well known items or refuses to do so. But you can change upsidedown guy.
    Last edited by ItAin'tFree; 09-24-13 at 11:17 AM. Reason: The last item would not hot link. But the info is in the NEJM article number 1003844
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Right, so to the extent that Republicans are following the platform, they arent RINOs. People are just upset becuase they are no longer idealistic conservatives. So I call them CINOs. THey say they are conservative, but they arent. They are Republicans.
    I like that: CINOS. Logically, it would be pronounced Sino, as in China. I wonder if some conclusion could be drawn from that?
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