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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    Medicare will be bankrupt in 10 years
    I saw on my SSI statement that I only have paid in like 9,999 bucks to medicare (and another 9,999 employer matching, that number seems suspicious like it's stuck and won't read higher than that?)
    thats with a work history starting in 76?
    hmmm with a government debt headed towards 21 trillion I doubt I'll see any return on that money how 'bout you

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Medicare works just fine.... The insurance exchanges are no different than Medicare Advantage Plans...
    I wish someone would explain to me what is so difficult about answering the question I posed, that you, and the other poster to whom it was originally addressed would keep dodging it?

    Here it is again:
    But answer me this - what makes you think the federal government is the proper entity to do that [quell people's fear about what might happen to them health-wise]? What? Or, why MUST we accept the Democrat premise that government-run health care is the ONLY way to "fix" ____________?
    It's irrelevant if anyone thinks Medicare "works" - frankly though, there's a host of arguments which could be posed that would vehemently deny that - but that's not the point. The point is the Democrat premise that the only proper entity to run our health care system is the federal government. I've yet to find someone who can (or will, apparently) explain why that is a valid premise. And the thing is - it's NOT a valid premise. But Democrats persist in clinging to it. Why?
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    I saw on my SSI statement that I only have paid in like 9,999 bucks to medicare (and another 9,999 employer matching, that number seems suspicious like it's stuck and won't read higher than that?)
    thats with a work history starting in 76?
    hmmm with a government debt headed towards 21 trillion I doubt I'll see any return on that money how 'bout you
    nope it will all go to pay for the ones many years ahead of me till it runs out and that will be in ten years or less

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    Just remember whose idea the ACA was before Mr. Obama proposed it.
    I understand what you have been told to believe. The fact is, the Herritage Foundation abandoned their plan as unworkable, and the plan in Massechusetts looks nothing like Obamacare.

    It seem apparent nobody has told you the connections don't work. But it's certainly a lazy way to not make a point.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    If the government is shut down congress will still receive their salaries, and even if they voted not to take their pay as I've heard one congressman say, most of them are millionaires anyway. So much for the welfare of the people.
    The President of the United States, in moves many have suggested are not allowed by law, has delayed important and critical parts of Obamacare for another year. These waivers and wave offs were caused by the problems business owners and other groups are having trying to implement the program.

    The CBO has stated the waive off of the employer mandate will add $10's of billions to the cost of Obamacare. Rational people see Obamacare as deeply flawed, and as not meeting the original objective.

    Democrats who control the Senate, and the President, have it within their power to keep the government running by passing the bill that originated in the House. Instead, they are going to put the welfare of the country and others in need, on the back of Obamacare, which is so flawed, the President is doing favors for his benefactors to keep them from being hurt by it's provisions.

    How is this a Republican issue?

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    funny thing is you actually believe that
    you also prolly believe if you don't have medical insurance
    YOU WILL DIE!
    well sonny yer SO wrong, its no wonder insurance companies get so bloody rich
    I went into an ER in the 90's after losing a fight with a circular saw
    they said: do you have insurance? I said no I have CASH!
    Then I proceeded to ask them 'what is the price' they hadn't a clue.
    If you went to the grocery store, the car dealership, barbershop or anywhere else
    and they couldn't tell you what the product or service cost what would your reaction be?

    My wife still laughs about it: your getting stitched up @ 1:00 O'Clock in the morning, complaining WTF is the price!

    It was just over 500 bucks for some stitches Tell you what That was a total flippin' rip off for sure
    One interesting thing bout us old guys, angry or not: We've learned to throw BS so well that it appears to be chocolate syrup.

    But, there is a good point in all that hooey: If the patient had to pay out of pocket for minor procedures, he would ask the price. As it is, the patient doesn't even know what the real price is, only what the copays are.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    I wish someone would explain to me what is so difficult about answering the question I posed, that you, and the other poster to whom it was originally addressed would keep dodging it?

    Here it is again:

    It's irrelevant if anyone thinks Medicare "works" - frankly though, there's a host of arguments which could be posed that would vehemently deny that - but that's not the point. The point is the Democrat premise that the only proper entity to run our health care system is the federal government. I've yet to find someone who can (or will, apparently) explain why that is a valid premise. And the thing is - it's NOT a valid premise. But Democrats persist in clinging to it. Why?
    The non-useful idiots of the Dem party don't want to admit that it is much, much less about healthcare and much more about the ability to control peoples lives. The rest of the Dem party, the useful idiots, are just stumped. Their handlers haven't told them how to lie about such a question.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    I wish someone would explain to me what is so difficult about answering the question I posed, that you, and the other poster to whom it was originally addressed would keep dodging it?

    Here it is again:

    It's irrelevant if anyone thinks Medicare "works" - frankly though, there's a host of arguments which could be posed that would vehemently deny that - but that's not the point. The point is the Democrat premise that the only proper entity to run our health care system is the federal government. I've yet to find someone who can (or will, apparently) explain why that is a valid premise. And the thing is - it's NOT a valid premise. But Democrats persist in clinging to it. Why?
    Government health care is the only viable alternative for those who can't afford their own health care. The other choice is to let them die in the street.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Their handlers haven't told them how to lie about such a question.
    this speech should be heard by every American
    Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine 1964
    before it is too late.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    I wish someone would explain to me what is so difficult about answering the question I posed, that you, and the other poster to whom it was originally addressed would keep dodging it?

    Here it is again:

    It's irrelevant if anyone thinks Medicare "works" - frankly though, there's a host of arguments which could be posed that would vehemently deny that - but that's not the point. The point is the Democrat premise that the only proper entity to run our health care system is the federal government. I've yet to find someone who can (or will, apparently) explain why that is a valid premise. And the thing is - it's NOT a valid premise. But Democrats persist in clinging to it. Why?
    Edwin, I'll take a shot. Power. The more control the government takes, the more power representatives get. The more power they get, the more easily they are elected. Half of the country pays no income tax and the more that half sees democrats giving them free stuff, the more electoral power they will grant themselves. They already buy our votes with our money and they know it. i think term limits is a bad idea whose time has come.
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