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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    funny thing is you actually believe that
    you also prolly believe if you don't have medical insurance
    YOU WILL DIE!
    well sonny yer SO wrong, its no wonder insurance companies get so bloody rich
    I went into an ER in the 90's after losing a fight with a circular saw
    they said: do you have insurance? I said no I have CASH!
    Then I proceeded to ask them 'what is the price' they hadn't a clue.
    If you went to the grocery store, the car dealership, barbershop or anywhere else
    and they couldn't tell you what the product or service cost what would your reaction be?

    My wife still laughs about it: your getting stitched up @ 1:00 O'Clock in the morning, complaining WTF is the price!

    It was just over 500 bucks for some stitches Tell you what That was a total flippin' rip off for sure
    How much did you pay? Insurance companies get a discount. Did you?

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Yes boys and girls tax free medical savings accounts that can be passed on to your heirs
    tort reform and
    de-regulation of insurance companies so that you could cover your whole family with a high deductible catastrophic plan
    and
    free market capitalism in the medical industry, if the product is priced way beyond what the market can bear then the price will fall
    if you pay cash for what you buy then you'll only purchase what you can afford Why should a skid row bum be given a new Porsche 911 GT3?

    Now we will all beg in front of the death panel and they will decide if we get the surgery or Obama's lil yellow pill.
    Well buddy that's downright un-American but then all you Liberals are commies anyway
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    funny thing is you actually believe that
    you also prolly believe if you don't have medical insurance
    YOU WILL DIE!
    well sonny yer SO wrong, its no wonder insurance companies get so bloody rich
    I went into an ER in the 90's after losing a fight with a circular saw
    they said: do you have insurance? I said no I have CASH!
    Then I proceeded to ask them 'what is the price' they hadn't a clue.
    If you went to the grocery store, the car dealership, barbershop or anywhere else
    and they couldn't tell you what the product or service cost what would your reaction be?

    My wife still laughs about it: your getting stitched up @ 1:00 O'Clock in the morning, complaining WTF is the price!

    It was just over 500 bucks for some stitches Tell you what That was a total flippin' rip off for sure
    For one, I didn't say anything about dying. I said cost. What do you think is going to happen when you get a quarter million dollar bill for heart surgery, cancer, or a serious car accident? Who is going to pay for that? You? No. Me. That's who. Me, other insured people, and the taxpayers.

    Second, you point out a serious and fundamental flaw in our current health care delivery model: the patient has no real idea what the cost is going to be, and no real choice in the matter. It's not like if they told you up front that the cost was $500 you'd have said "oh no thanks I'll just sit here and bleed some more." No, Obamacare doesn't address this underlying flaw. But let's not act like it caused it either. This did happen to you in the 90s, after all.

    Finally, I should mention that yes, actually, not having health insurance does make you more likely to die from a preventable illness. People without insurance tend to wait until the situation becomes serious before they go to the doctor, rather than getting early checkups. (hell, people with insurance do this more often than they should) Waiting until a later stage of illness makes that illness more likely to kill you. (duh)
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    How much did you pay? Insurance companies get a discount. Did you?
    You always pay less when you pay cash far less than what they charge the insurance companies didn't you know that?
    I bargained the 500+ dollar bill down to $373.00 in the end I always get a cash discount otherwise I tell em no way José
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    For one, I didn't say anything about dying.
    well for one thing we are ALL gonna die regardless
    (sorry to break the bad news to you)
    If you think you have to pay mountains of cash in insurance premuims over the course of your lifetime to guarantee immortality then that's perfectly within your right to live your life that way but you've no right to enforce at the point
    of a gun such stupid belief system on your fellow countrymen? No wait I take that back now with the ACA
    that is precisely what we have? How I fund my hip replacement or cold medicine is no concern of yours.

    When my mom had terminal cancer someone talked her into getting a second opinion hah guess what
    she died and so will everyone else.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    You always pay less when you pay cash than what they charge the insurance companies didn't you know that?
    I bargained the 500+ dollar bill down to $373.00 in the end I always get a cash discount otherwise I tell em no way José
    You did OK. Did you think you got $373 worth of care in your opinion?

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    You did OK. Did you think you got $373 worth of care in your opinion?
    not even close but the guy that stitched me up was way over qualified he was a real deal trauma surgeon who'd just transferred to that ER several weeks before from the Mexican cartel warzone in west Phoenix he said he'd gotten tired of digging rounds out of gang bangers or not being able to save five and six year old children shot in the head by stray rounds from drive-by shootings. A Nurse Practitioner could have dealt with my injury but the place was deserted so he handled it, it wasn't long after that in Phoenix that most of the ER's in those parts of town closed because they were flooded with non-paying illegals.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    I'd love to see Americans get told: no you can't have it you don't have the money!

    Everyone gets a tax free medical account, they can elect to pay for a very REASONABLE
    high deductible catastrophic policy from this account. This account can be used to fund medical procedures for dependants. And it can be willed tax free to your heirs.

    If you want something in the healthcare marketplace then you pay for it.
    If you can't afford it then you don't get it.

    The free market could provide much better products and services than the crappy socialised medicine we are going to end up with.
    Pure and simple the people with money will still be able to get the good stuff the poor folks will still get more than they pay for and the middle class will get ruined in the process.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Americans aren't stoopid
    millions will pay the fine then if they need something force an insurance company to cover their pre-existing conditions.
    The guys running the insurance companies aren't fools either, they will quickly shift their substantial assets elsewhere
    and quietly go out of business leaving everyone standing in line at the exchanges with the felons, welfare moms and the illegals.

    Have fun with that.

    oh and did you know the IRS can't even collect the fine?
    aw go on and tell me that's not in the ACA either

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    There are no death panels
    there's no rationing
    no one is getting any waivers
    the ACA isn't causing tax increases
    nor job losses or increased debt

    when will you all start saying these are good things?
    You are right..... We have let the Cons control the dialogue on this, which they have done by villifying the ACA with silliness like 'death panels' and 'rationing'. Those that actually have a clue what the ACA is, spend too much time debunking the idiocy, which acts to obfuscate the real issue: Why we have the ACA. So, by your request, les't list what the ACA actually does:


    - Creates the Health Insurance Marketplace, a new way for individuals, families, and small businesses to get health coverage
    - Requires insurance companies to cover people with pre-existing health conditions
    - Holds insurance companies accountable for rate increases
    - Requires insurance companies to devote 80-85% of premiums to benefit payments or rebate the difference to its customers
    - Makes it illegal for health insurance companies to arbitrarily cancel your health insurance just because you get sick
    - Covers young adults under 26
    - Provides free preventive care
    - Ends lifetime and yearly dollar limits on coverage of essential health benefits
    - Guarantees your right to appeal should coverage be denied
    - Through cost control and greater participation by the general public in preventative medicine, should reduce the deficit over the first 10 years by $114B and the next 10 years by $1T.
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