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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    Republicans are more interested in preserving the health care service than "maximizing profits" of it. And if Obama Care is not stopped then there will be great damage to the health care system.

    Also there is no "free". Everything has a cost and someone must pay it. TANSTAAFL. If there ever were a law of the Universe this would be one.
    If you research the cause of high healthcare costs in the U.S. you will find a very simple answer, price gouging. Republicans might think they are "preserving" health care but that is conservative ideology. Old is the best, new is bad. If you look at history we are always advancing... what would happen if we never did anything new? We'd still be living in caves for fear of using tools. Read my response to Henrin about "free".

    The high costs of health care in part are to pay for those who were and are not able to pay for it. And since you want "free" health care this is the result. Imagine it ballooning.
    Those without adequate care are forced to go to the emergency room and also miss out on tremendous amounts of preventative care that could save much money and lives down the road. This is highly inefficient and a plus of Obamacare. We're already paying for it. The richest country in the world can afford for everyone to get standardized no questions asked healthcare.

    Conservative are concerned that the Food Stamp Program and others are being abused. Or like WAC is causing harm to families and communities.
    Who cares? Is somebody eating a sandwich they didn't pay for really the worst thing that could happen? Most people work, most people (especially the poor doing menial jobs) contribute much more to society that they receive in compensation. It is unfair for the poor to receive substandard healthcare. Just a FYI, did you know your "free" checking account at your local bank is paid for by aggressive overdraft fees that rob those with the least amount of money? The poor as a whole are not a drain on the society, quite the opposite.

    And with respect to health care there are better options than Obama Care which is meant to fail.
    Like our current system that is the most expensive in the world and provides care ranked 39th behind Cuba? The "free market" had its chance and it created a bad system. You can blame government intervention for it but we're at the point where we need a new direction and the government completely deregulating healthcare and walking away creating a libertarian utopia ain't gonna happen.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Yeah, hospitals can charge $10 for an aspirin. It's sick. So lets build on the law to make everything more transparent. Why would you have to repeal it to do that?
    We won't but these are things that can be done instead of having a system that is going to be run by the most hated department in this country. When rationing occurs and it will occur there will be riots over this and that department will experience the Peoples wrath.

    The ACA is bad law we need to look over options that do not require government taking over the health care system.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Ok?



    Of course, nothing is free. Don't tell the democrats though. They live in some weird world where they support higher taxes to pay for welfare and at the same time think welfare is free.



    Yes, providing people with healthcare against your will is justice. Perhaps if the world was upside down and all the blood rushed to my head that would make sense.



    What makes you think they deserve anything?



    No, this is a stepping stone to single payer. It's kind of the point of the law.



    No, I expected it. Many people sit around chanting democracy and when the people oppose them all of a sudden the people are stupid and the smart people know what is good for them.



    That is what I said.



    Yeah, Obama likes to think he is smarter than everyone else. Nothing new there.



    What they are after?
    This is all standard libertarian "aint my problem **** everyone and everything, I wash my hands of any participation." This is of zero help. Its not like we live in a country where everything is squared up equal except for them darn poor people who do nothing and suck benefits. The whole system is somewhat corrupt yet for some reason you guys want to put the screws on the poor just as hard as you can as though it somehow fixes everything, what a crock of ****.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    I gotta tell ya, a lot of money the hospitals make don't go to doctors, they go to bulls*** projects. I worked at an agency that was hired by a hospital to put a $2 million art installation in a new ward that itself would cost multiple millions. Everyone involved talked about how great it was, but it bothered me that so much money was going into what was essentially a luxury that nobody needed. Better that they save the people who needed the care the money they would have spent. In this sense, people like me that are supportive of Obamacare like it because it at least does something instead of just letting this perverse system go on unchanged.
    This is why people who run hospitals should have a medical background. Also if I had my way the government would not fund people getting a business degree. We have too many people in charge of companies that have the "right" degree but have no sense when it comes to things like this. What would be worse is for them to spend money on some sort of faddish business enrichment programs that the employees have to adhere to.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    This is all standard libertarian "aint my problem **** everyone and everything, I wash my hands of any participation." This is of zero help. Its not like we live in a country where everything is squared up equal except for them darn poor people who do nothing and suck benefits. The whole system is somewhat corrupt yet for some reason you guys want to put the screws on the poor just as hard as you can as though it somehow fixes everything, what a crock of ****.
    Want to talk about corporate welfare? I'm down. Though the line gets a bit blurred when you realize that welfare for the poor is also corporate welfare.

    What do poor people deserve anyway? Can you define exactly what they deserve?

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    No, I'm the one who noted the utter absurdity of the position we are currently in.
    We are in this position since the Democratic leadership did not let anyone know the details of the bill until 3 days before the bill would have is final vote. The Democrat reps largely voted on the bill on the handshake and a smile of their party leaders. Some of them paid for voting for this turd and if they had been given more time read the bill I doubt it would have passed.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The Republicans passed a half-assed bill designed to shortchange what had already been passed. They are the ones responsible for a shutdown.
    They passed all but the ACA funding aka Obama Care. There is no requirement to pass the budget as a whole in one bill. There should be no objection to the presented bill in the Senate.

    You obviously support defunding it ... own the shutdown.
    Again the rest of the budget has been passed and only Obama Care will not be funded (which is something the House can legitimately can do.) If the Senate refuses to vote for the bill that the House proposed then it is on the Senate and its controlling members that will have to bear the burden of blame for a closure.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Want to talk about corporate welfare? I'm down. Though the line gets a bit blurred when you realize that welfare for the poor is also corporate welfare.

    What do poor people deserve anyway? Can you define exactly what they deserve?
    The poor should get all the welfare they need until corporate welfare is largely ended and we live in a much fairer society where all work is justly rewarded. How it all functions is a large and complex mess and I don't have all the answers to what welfare goes where. What I do know is that two parents working "average" jobs in the U.S. barely make enough money to survive. Those that have trouble finding full time employment or suffer a health care crisis in the family are destroyed.

    This is 2013, we have achieved much throughout history and many things are pretty easy these days. Is it really too much to ask that everyone get decent healthcare? Is this really so hard that we can't even try? What kind of civilization are we that we feel we need to chuck people off the boat for fear the whole ship is going to sink? These are not the actions of a confident superpower. This is what greedy businessmen do who are addicted to favorable bottom lines.

    Who cares what people deserve, its more important what people need. All this fuss over making sure somebody doesn't get something they might not have fully paid for is a waste of time and resources. Most poor people work, most of them work hard, shouldn't that be enough?

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    We won't but these are things that can be done instead of having a system that is going to be run by the most hated department in this country. When rationing occurs and it will occur there will be riots over this and that department will experience the Peoples wrath.

    The ACA is bad law we need to look over options that do not require government taking over the health care system.
    Nobody wants this shady law that's going to create the largest database on every American in human history. Obama is even going to know what kind of toilet paper you use.

    Defund this *&^%$

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    We are in this position since the Democratic leadership
    I didn't even bother to read the rest of your post. Your trying to insert partisanship to argue a statement I made where I expressly said to ignore it. What I said was very accurate. I know you're just itching to stand up and blame people, but that was not the point of my comment.

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