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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

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    That's not what Obama said when he was on the other side of the fence.
    Why would I care about that?
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    I don't believe the GOP has any chance of actually changing anything with this... So basically they're holding the country hostage for a period to broadcast just how much they hate Obamacare.
    They have their constituents and are following their will.

    What does this accomplish other than getting everyone riled up?
    A lot of people do not want Obama Care and they are playing to that crowd,

    Is that really what we want?
    It is the majority of the citizens of the United States opinion.
    More pissed off people screaming at the top of their lungs how much they disagree?
    This is politics at its most basic. This is not a gentleman's club where they chastise a fellow for mildly offensive behavior. The leaders in the Republican Party sometimes well, often thinks it is.

    Does this lead to a healthier democracy?
    We are not a Democracy. We are a Republic. And if we were a Democracy , Obama Care would not have passed and now since the public knows about Obama Care the majority would hold it not be funded and to be repealed.

    I really see no value in this, only negativity and regression.
    Backing out of a Dead End street is not regression; It is correction. And the only negativity I see is from Democrats that refuse to accept that the general public is opposed to this form of health care.

    Its a stone's throw away from sabotage which the GOP always denies doing...
    Obama Care is a colossal fubar and this is essentially the last chance to stop it from wrecking this country.
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    I don't get why this matters. The GOP knows it will not fly in the Senate. Even if it did it would be vetoed by Obama. They don't have the votes to override a veto. This is political pageantry. If they pushed it to a government shutdown they would almost certainly be kicking rocks on the midterm elections because as hard as they would try to blame the Democrats for it saying they "passed a bill" they did it in as partisan a way as possible.
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    The economy will improve under this bill. If a few people die, it will be for the betterament of this country.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    You were the one who said that this Congress should fund what they voted for.
    No, I'm the one who noted the utter absurdity of the position we are currently in.
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    This is a very simplistic view.
    But a very accurate one.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    That's a pretty good explanation for the Republican argument.
    . . .

    I still think it's mostly motivated by spite, though.
    Um, no. Definition of spite:


    1.a malicious, usually petty, desire to harm, annoy, frustrate, or humiliate another person; bitter ill will; malice.


    2.a particular instance of such an attitude or action; grudge.


    3.Obsolete . something that causes vexation; annoyance.

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    I mean, this isn't a socialist law. If anything, it benefits private business (insurance companies), who will get more customers.
    Then it is a Fascist one then.
    And believe it or not, there are people that get a job just for the health insurance.
    I've met a person who said he was a millionaire and he got some low skilled job to get health care coverage for his wife. Taken at face value it probably means that there is a problem with the level of medical technology that causes a greater expense and research is needed to lower the costs. If some millionaires are overbowed by the health system then I know of no solution that can be presented if we want to cover everything for everybody.
    People like artists take part time jobs that provide health benefits just to get affordable health care.
    Being an artist is a hard row to hoe when in good health. A sick artist. . . .

    If you can get the same health care on your own, such people might not seek work, opening up positions for people that have been struggling to find it.
    That is true but Obama Care is not the vehicle to arrive at that sunny place.

    It will be interesting to see how this plays out, and how much Republican states will try to blunt its success (that's not me saying that, that's Republican governors and state governments).
    They are not trying to blunt its success; They are trying to prevent a dismal failure.

    One thing nobody knows is the future, so nobody is smart enough to know if it fails or succeeds.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Shut down the government because they didn't get their way? That's not a bad thing?

    I know in a forum its easy to say "yeah man lets shut the whole thing down!!! wooohooo!!!". In the real world these things have consequences and can badly hurt people who don't deserve it. As I alluded to earlier the GOP isn't going to change anything so again, what is the use in doing this?
    The Republicans passed a bill with everything but Obama Care. It is up to the Democrats to pass it or not. They will be the ones causing a shut down. There is no reason that the bill have to include everything on its budget and those areaa that are agreed to can be passed to avoid this senerio in the first place.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    The Republicans passed a bill with everything but Obama Care. It is up to the Democrats to pass it or not. They will be the ones causing a shut down. There is no reason that the bill have to include everything on its budget and those areaa that are agreed to can be passed to avoid this senerio in the first place.
    The Republicans passed a half-assed bill designed to shortchange what had already been passed. They are the ones responsible for a shutdown.

    You obviously support defunding it ... own the shutdown.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Let's all take a deep breath and remember that THIS IS THE YEAR 2013. We didn't get flying cars, but did anyone think that at this point we still couldn't figure out an operational way of providing people with health care when they need it?
    Actually we did get flying cars but the government will not allow them to be used. And it is somewhat more likely that under present technology we would be able to build a Death Star than have a coverage to health care to all with the government trying to mess with all the parts of health care to the degree it is. Even though I am a Libertarian and do not belive government should do so. I could go for single payer but not that the government running the health care establishment. And even if we can manage to keep government out of running the system I can guarntee that the government will deny payment often for health care that "is not needed." So we will be back to step 1 for the health service.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    The fact that people will lose the health care plans they all ready on. Many Companies will make full time employees to part time because it will be to expensive for them. You will be fined by the government if you don't have health care coverage. If you do keep your current plan you will be paying more for less.
    Based on what? There is no reason a company would terminate its existing health care plans, and subject themselves to the fines (which are rather stiff) and move good people from full time to part-time. Its non-sense

    The impact of ACA is on 50-200 employee companies that do not currently have healthcare for their employees. Only a few companies have to worry about this. I do, happen to have a company that falls in this area.

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