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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Precedence has been set, and whomever the current President is has the discretion, via the HHS secretary and the IRS, to ignore 90% of the provisions via waivers or delays.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/19/us...ocDrMbeP5FlRag

    House Bill Cuts Health Funds, Raising Odds of U.S. Shutdown

    By JONATHAN WEISMAN and ASHLEY PARKER
    Published: September 18, 2013

    WASHINGTON — House Republican leaders — bowing to the demands of their conservative wing — will put to a vote on Friday a stopgap spending measure that would strip all funding from President Obama’s signature health care law, increasing the likelihood that the government will shut down in two weeks.


    So what's going on here? Another defeat Obamacare vote? And will this shut down the government like in the 90's? If so, will it come back to bite the Republicans in the a**?

    Why the urgency to defeat this "train wreck"? If that's what this is, why not let it fail and bring down its Democratic authors? Republicans have shown they can play politics with the welfare of the American people by threatening the full faith and credit of the country, so why not let the law destroy itself, then sweep in and take the credit for predicting it?

    My question is, do Republicans fear that ACA will not be the disaster they predict, or even worse, a success, and are trying to sabotage it before they look bad for opposing it? Or is this just a stunt to appease their radical right wing? "Obamacare delenda est"?
    Perhaps this vote will be different from the previous 41 votes to repeal "Obamacare."

    Tim Huelskamp Explains Why 42nd House Vote To Repeal Obamacare Will Be Better Than The Previous 41
    WASHINGTON -- House Republicans have now voted 41 times to repeal Obamacare, knowing each time that those bills would go nowhere in the Senate and never get the green light from President Barack Obama.

    But Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R-Kansas) is amped up about attempt number 42. He and other Tea Party lawmakers in the House are pushing GOP leaders to tie a vote to defund the Affordable Care Act to a must-pass, temporary spending bill aimed at keeping the government funded past Oct. 1, when current funding runs out. The effort has been a serious headache for GOP leaders, who want to appease their Tea Party flank but don't want to risk a government shutdown.

    Huelskamp was excited this week as he talked to reporters about the latest strategy for killing Obamacare.

    "None of the other votes were on must-pass bills. They were on individual bills," he told The Huffington Post, comparing the House's past attempts to sink Obamacare to baseball. "We've had 42 different swings at the bat. Forty-two different exhibition games. But we've never actually had a regular season."
    But my bet is that it's just more partisan political grandstanding that will accomplish nothing, not even bringing Congress' approval rating lower.

    How much lower than zero can you go?
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    Oh, gee, the federal government shuts down for a few weeks or months.

    What will we ever do?

    LOL

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Perhaps this vote will be different from the previous 41 votes to repeal "Obamacare."



    But my bet is that it's just more partisan political grandstanding that will accomplish nothing, not even bringing Congress' approval rating lower.

    How much lower than zero can you go?
    any lower approval ratings and there might be a call for automatic recall of elected officials.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    I say let the Republicans shut down government. That is fine by me just another death rattle from a bunch of fat old white guys.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Oh, gee, the federal government shuts down for a few weeks or months.

    What will we ever do?

    LOL
    The 90's don't seem to ring a bell do they?

    Goodness, maybe we should have a shut down. Apparently Republicans forgot that they were blamed for the last one and that it was incredibly unpopular.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    The 90's don't seem to ring a bell do they?

    Goodness, maybe we should have a shut down. Apparently Republicans forgot that they were blamed for the last one and that it was incredibly unpopular.
    Is this when the social security payment threats begin from the Dems.......for the 108th time?

    This ain't the 90s, and Congress has never had a poorer reputation in my lifetime. I think many would WELCOME a shutdown. In fact, they'd prefer a permanent vacation and a start-over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Is this when the social security payment threats begin from the Dems.......for the 108th time?

    This ain't the 90s, and Congress has never had a poorer reputation in my lifetime. I think many would WELCOME a shutdown. In fact, they'd prefer a permanent vacation and a start-over.
    So you think the public is going to look at this like: We don't like this ineffective Congress because they are ineffective. Ineffective Congress could use a shutdown to make them even more ineffective. I would also like the American economy to loose billions of dollars in revenue.

    Yeah, makes a lot of sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    So you think the public is going to look at this like: We don't like this ineffective Congress because they are ineffective. Ineffective Congress could use a shutdown to make them even more ineffective. I would also like the American economy to loose billions of dollars in revenue.

    Yeah, makes a lot of sense.
    When you take in less than you spend, perhaps a shutdown would be a net gain.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Is this when the social security payment threats begin from the Dems.......for the 108th time?

    This ain't the 90s, and Congress has never had a poorer reputation in my lifetime. I think many would WELCOME a shutdown. In fact, they'd prefer a permanent vacation and a start-over.
    A permanent vacation and start over seems to me like a good idea.
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