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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    I'm suggesting that a 35 year low in labor participation along with more part-time work has been a detriment to the overall economy. It is also noteworthy that companies are now beginning to offload their employees to the newly created, although not ready for prime time, exchanges...
    The 35 year decline of the middle class has everything to do with unrestrained globalization. Until you fix that, the problem will remain.

    When conservatives attack food stamps, or unemployment benefits, or expanded health care, because it will hut employment, they are talking about the bandaids that have been placed over the problem, not the problem itself. Removing those things will only hurt people without fixing anything.
    "Obamacare delenda est"

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/19/us...ocDrMbeP5FlRag

    House Bill Cuts Health Funds, Raising Odds of U.S. Shutdown

    By JONATHAN WEISMAN and ASHLEY PARKER
    Published: September 18, 2013

    WASHINGTON — House Republican leaders — bowing to the demands of their conservative wing — will put to a vote on Friday a stopgap spending measure that would strip all funding from President Obama’s signature health care law, increasing the likelihood that the government will shut down in two weeks.


    So what's going on here? Another defeat Obamacare vote? And will this shut down the government like in the 90's? If so, will it come back to bite the Republicans in the a**?

    Why the urgency to defeat this "train wreck"? If that's what this is, why not let it fail and bring down its Democratic authors? Republicans have shown they can play politics with the welfare of the American people by threatening the full faith and credit of the country, so why not let the law destroy itself, then sweep in and take the credit for predicting it?

    My question is, do Republicans fear that ACA will not be the disaster they predict, or even worse, a success, and are trying to sabotage it before they look bad for opposing it? Or is this just a stunt to appease their radical right wing? "Obamacare delenda est"?
    They do. Of course, the interesting irony in this is substantially all of the funding of Obama care is in mandatory spending part of the budget. It is outside of the domain of congress, so this is an exercise in complete silliness.

    Obama care was passed and signed into law in 2010. What is it about Regressives that makes them live in the past?

    Just a reality check for Cons. Eisenhower completed his two terms (and you would never elect him today, anyway, so whats the fascination?); Reagan is dead (and you would never elect him today, anyway, so whats the fascination?); and Obamacare is the law of the land. None of these things is going to change.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/19/us...ocDrMbeP5FlRag

    House Bill Cuts Health Funds, Raising Odds of U.S. Shutdown

    By JONATHAN WEISMAN and ASHLEY PARKER
    Published: September 18, 2013

    WASHINGTON — House Republican leaders — bowing to the demands of their conservative wing — will put to a vote on Friday a stopgap spending measure that would strip all funding from President Obama’s signature health care law, increasing the likelihood that the government will shut down in two weeks.


    So what's going on here? Another defeat Obamacare vote? And will this shut down the government like in the 90's? If so, will it come back to bite the Republicans in the a**?

    Why the urgency to defeat this "train wreck"? If that's what this is, why not let it fail and bring down its Democratic authors? Republicans have shown they can play politics with the welfare of the American people by threatening the full faith and credit of the country, so why not let the law destroy itself, then sweep in and take the credit for predicting it?

    My question is, do Republicans fear that ACA will not be the disaster they predict, or even worse, a success, and are trying to sabotage it before they look bad for opposing it? Or is this just a stunt to appease their radical right wing? "Obamacare delenda est"?
    The oncoming train wreck that is the ACA should be stopped before it hits the wall because when it does we all lose.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    Insurance companies DO NOT GAMBLE. They have actuaries that calculate the the risk and they use that to decide how much the premium would cost. And they do expect that there will be some cost in coverage.
    Insurance companies have been known to gladly take their customers money in the form of premiums, then once they need their insurance for an operation or condition, suddenly the insurance company will unearth a pre-existing condition and drop their customer. According to them, eczema and acne are a preexisting condition.

    Yes, I get it. They are a business, and business must make money to exist. But when they go to such lengths do deny their services to those that need it the most, doesn't that say something?

    In my opinion, the private health insurance industry is like the oil industry. Both essentially belong in the 20th century and don't make much sense in the future.
    "Obamacare delenda est"

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Not according to the Republicans I see speak.
    They are the ones pulling the House strings.
    They won't be happy until we are pre-FDR.
    Good luck to all of us then.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    No one is trying to kill those programs linc...

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Not according to the Republicans I see speak.
    They are the ones pulling the House strings.
    They won't be happy until we are pre-FDR.
    Good luck to all of us then.
    Show me where any prominent office holder has suggested anything like what you're putting forth...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    The oncoming train wreck that is the ACA should be stopped before it hits the wall because when it does we all lose.
    I want substance, not metaphor. What makes everyone lose?
    "Obamacare delenda est"

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    The oncoming train wreck has already wrecked.
    Now the tracks are yet to be cleared from the 2011 TEAwreck, and the ACA is about to run into it,
    as per the likes of Sen. Burr(R-NC), no RINO.
    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    The oncoming train wreck that is the ACA should be stopped before it hits the wall because when it does we all lose.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Is a law a policy?
    Or is policy law? Either can be scraped at any time. Nothing is cast in stone.

    Since the Repubs have already stated their wish to kill Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security,
    I've never heard of that, maybe you can put up some proof to support your statement. Otherwise your just filling up a page of ink with BS.

    this would set a precedent NO President would allow.
    Obama would not allow it, but another president with views to save this country would.

    I now must call it a tie for first between Voting Wrongs Acts and Defunding Laws.
    Yes your for voting fraud and living under laws that are job killers. I have always said, liberals have never been about jobs, but are for killing jobs and making people dependent on government. Liberal nanny state, dependency on government, is the liberal way.
    Liberals - Punish the Successful, Reward the Unsuccessful
    Liberals - Tax, Borrow, Spend, and Give Free Stuff
    Obama's legacy - President Donald Trump

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    I'm suggesting that a 35 year low in labor participation along with more part-time work has been a detriment to the overall economy. It is also noteworthy that companies are now beginning to offload their employees to the newly created, although not ready for prime time, exchanges...
    Others argue that it will be more good than bad.

    Doesn't change the problem here that the GOP wants to shut down the government in protest.

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