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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    or the senate will vote to remove the language that removes funding for the affordable care act and then send it back to the house
    And then the House would be free to reject it.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

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    And House loons use the Bible as cover.
    These House phony Christians have already received their reward, as their Bible tells them.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    when the law was first submitted to the court it was placed under the commerce clause, ....and the argument was, how can government force a citizen to engage in commerce.

    during the court hearings, the government had failed in their case using that clause, the court under Roberts moved the law from under the commerce clause,to the tax clause, which was illegal, judges do not make or change laws, they only adjudicate them.
    Impeach Roberts!!!
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    so if it has no moral obligation, why does the government have to provide law enforcement or punish crime. after all it is apparently not their obligation to enforce what is right or wrong.
    Government cannot force citizens to buy a product. Of course people will try to bring car insurance into this, which is a completely different thing because driving is a privilege, and one doesn't have to drive. However, the government cannot force you to buy something just because you live and exist.

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    a huge misapplication of that power
    So huge my friend that history will show it was the last nail in the coffin of our once great Constitutional Republic I say sit back and enjoy the ride into socialist hell cuz what the heck else are you gonna do?

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    and being denied medical insurance simply for having a preexisting condition, something that is up to the insurance company to define, is what exactly? a sign of flawless freemarket principles?
    One cannot buy insurance after the fact it is after all insurance and not a health care plan. If the various States had not chose the winners of the companies that can provide health insurance this would not be as great a problem. If the States had left it to the free market and only banned those companies who engaged in fraud or unethical behavior then we probably would have some sort of heath care for those who had a preexisting condition though it would not be insurance. It would be a health maintenance organization and probably a nonprofit one. Also it could be possible in some cases to have insurance covering some health care that excludes cost from affects and effects of that preexisting condition.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    The only people who are using it for political purposes are those who refuse to pass it. The debt ceiling should be a non-issue; it is just a means of funding spending programs that were already approved. There shouldn't even be any negotiation required on either side about this. If you didn't want to pay for the spending programs, you shouldn't have voted for them. This is why it was never an issue in the past.
    That's not what Obama said when he was on the other side of the fence.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    The debt ceiling should be a non-issue;
    he is right about that, nothing is going to stop them from spending U.S. into bankruptcy we should abandon the pretense and just go for it whole hawg!

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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    what exactly will the debt do to us? make china invade and buy up all our land?
    No, the fact of the matter is that the debt is now a bigger percentage of the GDP and as it gets bigger it is harder to manage eventually we will pass the Debt Horizon a point of no return where the debt will can only get bigger unless we drastically cut the nondiscretionary parts of the budget such as Welfare, Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid. And I do not think that will happen until we are forced to default permanently or devalue the dollar such that it would be the same thing as cutting the nondiscrestionary parts.
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    Re: House Bill Defunds Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    because in perfectly just society, they would be accused of negligence if the individual seeking insurance dies because she could not afford to pay the costs of health insurance.

    doctors have something called the Hippocratic oath, maybe we should expect health insurance company's to swear a similar oath.
    Insurance involves a contract between the individual and the company that provides the insurance. Now for a contract to be valid it must not have been made under duress. Making a law that mandates that a company must have a contract with an individual even if that individual does not have a preexisting condition should render the contract void when it is brought up in the courts. I cannot see how an insurance company be accused of negligence if a person already has a preexisting condition which makes them an burdensome cost and which they did not pay for coverage until they become ill. Insurance is to insure against negative events in the future it is not a means to pay for people that did not pay for the insurance. If you want them covered then you could have a program that would cover these people and I would have it that they would "owe" this back if they ever have the funds in the future to do so. No one should get a free ride and they must bear some sort of cost and again.
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