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    Re: Police warned Navy about gunman's mental instability 6 weeks ago, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    So should mental hospitals be a state issue or federal issue?

    Over the last 20 or 30 years many states cut funding for mental institutions by as much 50% to 80% and many state mental hospitals closed down completely leaving community centers and jails to pick up the slack. But they don't have much funding either and often times the mentally ill are just given a quick check over and a prescription and sent on their way or they spend a night in jail and released the next day.
    they lost their funding because most patients were released because they wasn't allowed to be held against their will anymore unless they where an immediate threat to themselves or the public and that isn't decided upon unless they commit a crime that is why they end up in jail

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    Re: Police warned Navy about gunman's mental instability 6 weeks ago, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    It's sad that Alexis tried to get help for himself from the police and the VA hospital and then just sent on his way. Everybody seems to agree that mental illness is an issue, but nobody seems to be doing anything about it. A couple weeks from now people will hardly give it a second thought....until another mass shooting happens again and again like some "macabe ritual" that US society has just resigned itself to. With each mass killing the public seems to become more and more jaded.
    if he would have asked for help from the police they would have taken him to a mental facility for an evaluation they are not allowed to make that determination on their own

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    Re: Police warned Navy about gunman's mental instability 6 weeks ago, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    they lost their funding because most patients where released because they wasn't allowed to be held against their will anymore unless they where a immediate threat to themselves or the public and that isn't decided upon unless they commit a crime that is why they end up in jail
    It doesn't appear to be working. It's like a one size fits all treatment....take a pill and check iback next month....and hope the patients take their medication in the meantime.

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    Re: Police warned Navy about gunman's mental instability 6 weeks ago, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    It doesn't appear to be working. It's like a one size fits all treatment....take a pill and check iback next month....and hope the patients take their medication in the meantime.
    so what are you suggesting go back to they way it was? instead of waiting them to commit a violent crime and lock them up in jail forcibly lock them up in a mental institution drug them before they commit a violent crime?

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    Re: Police warned Navy about gunman's mental instability 6 weeks ago, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    that would require the mentally ill to be registered as such it would require doctors to release patient information to law enforcement. are you willing to go there?
    I am willing to say if a person is declared mentally unstable they should not be allowed a gun. And do not think those records are not out there. They just are not allowed to be released to the public. They could certainly keep them private and out of the public's hands while allowing them to refuse a gun sale via national database because of it.

    But let us see what road you are going down. You want a guy who hears voices in his head and has been in a few violent scuffles, and was tossed out of the military for his psych issues to be handed any gun he wants without any problem. You want a kid who has severe mental problems so much so he cannot go to school, and has a mental problem which makes him prone to fits where he is uncontrollable whos own mother wanted to have him committed to have access to assault rifles. You want a guy who thinks he is the god damned joker who has been evaluated by a school shrink to be psycho to be able to stockpile weapons and bombs. You want a certifiably crazy asian kid to be able to get guns. This is where your path leads. Oh, and ihn case you missed it I am talking about this shooter, the sandyhook shooter, the batman movie shooter, and the VA tech shooter. There are other instances of single or multiple serial killers which we could have at least hindered some by saying no to their legal purchase of a gun. That is not to mention the ones who have been evaluated as suicidal and clinically depressed who get guns and kill themselves.

    This is why the gun nuts get a bad rep. it is because they do not want to discuss any reasonable and good restriction on the ownership of a deadly weapon. I think it is quite reasonable to say if you are psychologically a nutbar it is time we at least keep you from buying a legal firearm. At least sending them to a criminal dealer runs the risk of a sting bust, or in the case of severe aspergers renders it near imkpossible because someone like Adam Lanza did not have the social skills necessary to go hunting for an illegal firearm.

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    Re: Police warned Navy about gunman's mental instability 6 weeks ago, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    I am willing to say if a person is declared mentally unstable they should not be allowed a gun. And do not think those records are not out there. They just are not allowed to be released to the public. They could certainly keep them private and out of the public's hands while allowing them to refuse a gun sale via national database because of it.

    But let us see what road you are going down. You want a guy who hears voices in his head and has been in a few violent scuffles, and was tossed out of the military for his psych issues to be handed any gun he wants without any problem. You want a kid who has severe mental problems so much so he cannot go to school, and has a mental problem which makes him prone to fits where he is uncontrollable whos own mother wanted to have him committed to have access to assault rifles. You want a guy who thinks he is the god damned joker who has been evaluated by a school shrink to be psycho to be able to stockpile weapons and bombs. You want a certifiably crazy asian kid to be able to get guns. This is where your path leads. Oh, and ihn case you missed it I am talking about this shooter, the sandyhook shooter, the batman movie shooter, and the VA tech shooter. There are other instances of single or multiple serial killers which we could have at least hindered some by saying no to their legal purchase of a gun. That is not to mention the ones who have been evaluated as suicidal and clinically depressed who get guns and kill themselves.

    This is why the gun nuts get a bad rep. it is because they do not want to discuss any reasonable and good restriction on the ownership of a deadly weapon. I think it is quite reasonable to say if you are psychologically a nutbar it is time we at least keep you from buying a legal firearm. At least sending them to a criminal dealer runs the risk of a sting bust, or in the case of severe aspergers renders it near imkpossible because someone like Adam Lanza did not have the social skills necessary to go hunting for an illegal firearm.
    way stop there should we have doctors report all patients who have fantasies of raping underage little girls or boys so to keep him or her from working or being around children even though they havnt acted on his or her pedophilia

    wouldn't that also keep the mentally ill from seeking help knowing they will be reported to law enforcement for being mentally ill
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    Re: Police warned Navy about gunman's mental instability 6 weeks ago, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    way stop there should we have doctors report all patients who have fantasies of raping underage little girls or boys so to keep him or her from working or being around children even though they havnt acted on his or her pedophilia
    I am actually pretty good with that one too. There are other jobs for them, and I am good with keeping pedos away from kids because of child molestation. You may wish to pick a better example.
    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    wouldn't that also keep the mentally ill from seeking help knowing they will be reported to law enforcement for being mentally ill
    It might, but if we are not going to act on it anyway, it doesn't do anything to stop them anyway. Seriously, if i am seeing a shrink because of two violent incidents which I have seen reported were with a gun, and i am hearing voices in my head and the doctor does not do anything about it, how is that any good at all? Plus, the reality is school shrinks and teachers need to report these things anyway, so let us give that info to some sort of database which can reject an application. If you do not want the gun dealer to know why the application was rejected do it the way a store does it when you are denied a credit card and give them the info so you can check your personal record on the database yourself without sharing your personal info and make sure it is correct and challenge any inaccuracies.

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    Re: Police warned Navy about gunman's mental instability 6 weeks ago, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    Read more: Police warned Navy about gunman's mental instability 6 weeks ago, report says | Fox News

    50 years ago the police would have been allowed to involuntary commit Aaron Alexis to a mental facility for at least a 2 week evaluation. he could have gotten the help he needed and saved the public from his mental breakdown that led to the shooting
    How Libertarian of you to support a blatant display of statism. More signs that the "freedom" the right wing talks about is utter bull****.
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    Re: Police warned Navy about gunman's mental instability 6 weeks ago, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    I am actually pretty good with that one too. There are other jobs for them, and I am good with keeping pedos away from kids because of child molestation. You may wish to pick a better example.


    It might, but if we are not going to act on it anyway, it doesn't do anything to stop them anyway. Seriously, if i am seeing a shrink because of two violent incidents which I have seen reported were with a gun, and i am hearing voices in my head and the doctor does not do anything about it, how is that any good at all? Plus, the reality is school shrinks and teachers need to report these things anyway, so let us give that info to some sort of database which can reject an application. If you do not want the gun dealer to know why the application was rejected do it the way a store does it when you are denied a credit card and give them the info so you can check your personal record on the database yourself without sharing your personal info and make sure it is correct and challenge any inaccuracies.
    so according to you there is no such thing as civil liberties you want to live in a police state that they have you, your medical history, and all accessed by the government to be used in any way they feel fit. if you want to live like that im sure they will gladly accept you in Cube China or N.Korea but don't you dare try to make my country into some kind of Orwellian society

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    Re: Police warned Navy about gunman's mental instability 6 weeks ago, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    so according to you there is no such thing as civil liberties you want to live in a police state that they have you, your medical history, and all accessed by the government to be used in any way they feel fit. if you want to live like that im sure they will gladly accept you in Cube China or N.Korea but don't you dare try to make my country into some kind of Orwellian society
    No. That's not what he's saying at all.
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