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    Re: Police warned Navy about gunman's mental instability 6 weeks ago, report says

    So should mental hospitals be a state issue or federal issue?

    Over the last 20 or 30 years many states cut funding for mental institutions by as much 50% to 80% and many state mental hospitals closed down completely leaving community centers and jails to pick up the slack. But they don't have much funding either and often times the mentally ill are just given a quick check over and a prescription and sent on their way or they spend a night in jail and released the next day.

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    Re: Police warned Navy about gunman's mental instability 6 weeks ago, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    So should mental hospitals be a state issue or federal issue?

    Over the last 20 or 30 years many states cut funding for mental institutions by as much 50% to 80% and many state mental hospitals closed down completely leaving community centers and jails to pick up the slack. But they don't have much funding either and often times the mentally ill are just given a quick check over and a prescription and sent on their way or they spend a night in jail and released the next day.
    Your right and its a huge problem!

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    Re: Police warned Navy about gunman's mental instability 6 weeks ago, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    So they are giving security clearances to known nutjobs and people are worried about what they are doing with all the raw data the government is gathering

    On a more serious note, I have had to deal with mental people. It can be hard. They can be normal when they are on the meds and in a stable life situation and be bat poot crazy if they are not taking their meds properly or life becomes too stressful for them.
    He was given clearance before hand.. about 5 years ago.. he got a 10 year clearance. Recent stuff wouldn't become official or even known until much later if at all due to patient rights and DoD policy.
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    Re: Police warned Navy about gunman's mental instability 6 weeks ago, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    even if it would have saved the lives of 12 including his own
    how is it ok to infringe on the rights of the millions of gun owners for so called public safety, but not to do the same of the mentally ill for the same reason
    How are you a libertarian? You can't hold a person against their will because you assume something or presume something. That would be holding someone against their will, infringement.
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    Re: Police warned Navy about gunman's mental instability 6 weeks ago, report says

    If the shooter had been white this probably wouldn't have happened as authorities would have acted on all the red flags present on this guys.. In the world we live in today these things get overlooked by most government entities because they do not want to face a race issue if they "handle it".

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    Re: Police warned Navy about gunman's mental instability 6 weeks ago, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Your right and its a huge problem!
    It's sad that Alexis tried to get help for himself from the police and the VA hospital and then just sent on his way. Everybody seems to agree that mental illness is an issue, but nobody seems to be doing anything about it. A couple weeks from now people will hardly give it a second thought....until another mass shooting happens again and again like some "macabe ritual" that US society has just resigned itself to. With each mass killing the public seems to become more and more jaded.
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    Re: Police warned Navy about gunman's mental instability 6 weeks ago, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    not by the police in Rhode Island they are not allowed to involuntary commit any one unless they are a immediate threat to him self or the public
    Yeah, but we could stop people who hear voices in their heads and show clear signs of mental illness, violence, and are a pretty clear time bomb ready to explode from owning guns. Responsible people will occasionally lose it and that is a risk many seem willing to take, but there are nutbars who we know are not safe with weapons and I think it is about time we stop allowing them to get one.

    oh, and an added benefit is that if a person is seeing a shrink who thinks they are disabled mentally and need to go onto social security disability and psych meds we can keep them from getting guns. That might lower the people conning the system about mental disability and perhaps slow down the over prescription of psych medication to people who do not need it. One might be a little less willing to get a psych med prescription so they can sell it for profit if they would have to give up their ability to legally own a gun because they are evaluated as nutbars by a "professional" shrink.

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    Re: Police warned Navy about gunman's mental instability 6 weeks ago, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    How are you a libertarian? You can't hold a person against their will because you assume something or presume something. That would be holding someone against their will, infringement.
    no im just pointing out the hypocrisy. I'm all for civil rights but also I draw a line when it comes to public safety

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    Re: Police warned Navy about gunman's mental instability 6 weeks ago, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Yeah, but we could stop people who hear voices in their heads and show clear signs of mental illness, violence, and are a pretty clear time bomb ready to explode from owning guns. Responsible people will occasionally lose it and that is a risk many seem willing to take, but there are nutbars who we know are not safe with weapons and I think it is about time we stop allowing them to get one.

    oh, and an added benefit is that if a person is seeing a shrink who thinks they are disabled mentally and need to go onto social security disability and psych meds we can keep them from getting guns. That might lower the people conning the system about mental disability and perhaps slow down the over prescription of psych medication to people who do not need it. One might be a little less willing to get a psych med prescription so they can sell it for profit if they would have to give up their ability to legally own a gun because they are evaluated as nutbars by a "professional" shrink.
    that would require the mentally ill to be registered as such it would require doctors to release patient information to law enforcement. are you willing to go there?

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    Re: Police warned Navy about gunman's mental instability 6 weeks ago, report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    If the shooter had been white this probably wouldn't have happened as authorities would have acted on all the red flags present on this guys.. In the world we live in today these things get overlooked by most government entities because they do not want to face a race issue if they "handle it".
    Right, because no mass shooters have been white. My eyes are rolling to far back in my head I can see my own brain stem.
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