Mary Fallin blocks same-sex benefits

AGENT J said:

another day another failed thread by people against equality and who support discrimination. That was a fun read, its always fun to see those people lose their minds at that though of Americans being treated equally.

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I kinda got a kick out of it as well, especially when a person's past words are used to bite them in the ass.

Navy Pride said:

Not in the states that have a constitutional amendment . I love my shipmates but like all Americans they must obey the law...........Are you for breaking the law?

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Unjust laws (such as those constitutional amendments) deserve to be challenged and struck down as the unlawful/unjust/unconstitutional laws they are, just as interracial marriage bans were.

Navy Pride said:

No red states and in most of the blue states where its legal it was done by activist judges and not the will of the people.

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Wrong. Most states passed their same sex marriage laws via a vote of their legislature or their people.

States passed via legislation: Vermont, New York, Washington, Maine, Maryland, Rhode Island, Delaware, and Minnesota. And that is just some of them. That is also more than half, and therefore, means your contention is wrong about "most" being activist judges.

Navy Pride said:

I did support DOMA and so did 90% of the Senate signed by President Clinton into law.

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And back in the 50s, over 75% of the US population supported interracial marriage bans. People change, voters change. Old people die, young people grow up. When DOMA was passed, I wasn't even old enough to vote yet. I still knew it was wrong. Now, I've voted in a number of elections since then. And many of those in my family who would be strongly against gay marriage are now dead, while the majority of the family supports it.

Navy Pride said:

No state with a ban have had it overturned.......Only the SCOTUS can do that and they won't touch it.

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You're again, wrong. California. There was a ban, and it has been overturned. Just as interracial marriage bans were overturned in the past (even those written into state constitutions).

Navy Pride said:

THe states already decided by voting for and amendment........Even you know that.

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And they will continue to see those votes happen and they will see overturned amendments by vote in the future, should the court go too slow in just overturning them all. The tide has turned NP, my generation is much more accepting of same sex marriage and yours and those in between are dying out or just plain changing their minds.

Navy Pride said:

You are simply wrong One state I believe it was Iowa even recalled the Judges that made that decision

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Two of the judges NP, right after it happened. The other one is still there. He "survived" the stupidity of the ignorant masses who don't know any better because his bench didn't come up til people realized how stupid it was to vote judges out of office for making the right decision, a decision that did not cause doom and destruction in the state, as certain conservatives and their anti-ssm groups want to try to contend will come from ssm being legal.

davidtaylorjr said:

Texas, OK, and the like don't recognize it and should not be forced to.

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Yes they should, just as AL, SC, and so many of the other Southern states were forced to recognize interracial marriages after the Loving decision.

Navy Pride said:

I follow the law...so will the SCOTUS.........that has nothing to do with hating anyone....

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Actually it is a federal issue. Only one section of DOMA was struck down by the federal courts. That was the section on a federal definition for marriage. One of the other sections of DOMA that is still standing allows states not to recognize same sex marriages performed in other states. In essence, it is a federal law that gives states the ability not to recognize a lawful same sex marriage from another state. Without that federal section, every state would be required to recognize same sex marriages legally performed in other states. They would not be required to grant same sex marriages, but they would have to recognize them and give them all the same benefits. In other words, without that section, a state like Texas would not have to grant same sex marriages, but if a married same sex couple from New Hampshire moved there, they would have to recognize it.