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    Re: Mary Fallin blocks same-sex benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    You are a member of the minority in this kerfuffle.

    What you want is not what's going to happen.

    Wait and see.
    Right, because the country is overwhelmingly decided on the issue....oh wait.....
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    Re: Mary Fallin blocks same-sex benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    He's not being against homosexuality. He's being against military service people getting benefits they are legally entitled to.

    The people in question are already gay and already married. And by the way, putting their lives on the line for your freedom to say that you don't want them to get these benefits.
    Ahem, nobody is denying the benefits. They can still get them.
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    Re: Mary Fallin blocks same-sex benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You got all your going to get and you may not hold on to all of them
    So if a state want to bring slavery back you are fine with that because it "States right" correct?

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    Re: Mary Fallin blocks same-sex benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    No state with a ban have had it overturned.......Only the SCOTUS can do that and they won't touch it.

    California's Prop 8 banned SSCM, it was found unconstitutional and the SCOTUS did not overturn the ruling.



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    Re: Mary Fallin blocks same-sex benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Ahem, nobody is denying the benefits. They can still get them.
    And you want to make it harder for troops to get their benefits because you don't like them.

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    Re: Mary Fallin blocks same-sex benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Right, because the country is overwhelmingly decided on the issue....oh wait....
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    Wait and see what happens, then come back and tell us all about it.


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    Re: Mary Fallin blocks same-sex benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And you want to make it harder for troops to get their benefits because you don't like them.
    First I don't even think they should get those benefits. That being said, I also believe in the sovereignty of the states and the Federal Government shouldn't dictate the state's morality of standing against homosexuality.
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    Re: Mary Fallin blocks same-sex benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    First I don't even think they should get those benefits. That being said, I also believe in the sovereignty of the states and the Federal Government shouldn't dictate the state's morality of standing against homosexuality.

    So you believe in the sovereignty of the states, those people are legally Civilly Married based on the laws of the state where they were married, the Federal governemnt then is recognizing the morality of that state. It should be recognized right?


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    Re: Mary Fallin blocks same-sex benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    So you believe in the sovereignty of the states, those people are legally Civilly Married based on the laws of the state where they were married, the Federal governemnt then is recognizing the morality of that state. It should be recognized right?


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    Texas, OK, and the like don't recognize it and should not be forced to.
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    Re: Mary Fallin blocks same-sex benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
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    First I don't even think they should get those benefits. That being said, I also believe in the sovereignty of the states and the Federal Government shouldn't dictate the state's morality of standing against homosexuality.
    So you believe in the sovereignty of the states, those people are legally Civilly Married based on the laws of the state where they were married, the Federal governemnt then is recognizing the morality of that state. It should be recognized right?


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    Texas, OK, and the like don't recognize it and should not be forced to.

    That response is not germane to the question posed.

    You said you don't believe the federal government should recognize legal Civil Marriages for benefits, they you claimed "sovereignty of the states" and that the federal government should honor marriage laws from the states. Conflicting positions.

    #1 You believe in the sovereignty of the states and if the State grants Civil Marriage, then the federal government should respect that.

    or

    #2 If doesn't matter if a couple is married under the laws of a State that grant them Civil Marriage, the federal government should refuse all benefits to Same-sex Civilly Married couples.



    If you believe in "sovereignty of the states" then you believe that the federal government should honor Civil Marriage entered into equally. If you don't really believe in "sovereignty of the states" then you believe that the federal government should deny benefits to legally married couples.


    So which is it?



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