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Putin: Russia to re open Soviet-era Article military base

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(Reuters) - Russia is reopening a Soviet-era military base in the Arctic, President Vladimir Putin said on Monday, part of a drive to make the northern coast a global shipping route and secure the region's vast energy resources.

Two decades after abandoning it, Russia has sent 10 warships behind four nuclear-powered ice breakers to the base on the Novosibirsk Islands, a show of force as it resumes a permanent naval presence in the thawing region.

The flotilla was led by Russia's flagship nuclear-powered cruiser, Peter the Great, along the Northern Sea Route, which connects Europe to Asia across Russian waters from the Kara Gate to the Bering Strait.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/16/us-russia-arctic-idUSBRE98F0VX20130916
 
Seems Putin has gotten quite cocky and arrogant.....10 Warships. Plus lets not forget they Put a Flag on the Bottom of the artic ocean as well.

"We will not only reopen the military base but restore the airfield to working order and make it possible for the emergency services, hydrologists and climate specialists to work together to ensure the security and effective work of the Northern Sea Route.".....snip~

Yeah.....restore an Airfield. Just for Emergency Services, he says. Hydrologists and Climate Specialists he says. :roll: 4 nuke powered Ice Breakers.
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.....what was the Hurry again?
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shake the bushes, rattle the timbers, ring the bells
 
Seems Putin has gotten quite cocky and arrogant.....10 Warships. Plus lets not forget they Put a Flag on the Bottom of the artic ocean as well.

"We will not only reopen the military base but restore the airfield to working order and make it possible for the emergency services, hydrologists and climate specialists to work together to ensure the security and effective work of the Northern Sea Route.".....snip~

Yeah.....restore an Airfield. Just for Emergency Services, he says. Hydrologists and Climate Specialists he says. :roll: 4 nuke powered Ice Breakers.
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.....what was the Hurry again?
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Howdy MMC! Well you know I think going forward were going to be seeing more nations standing up to what they perceive as US aggression, imperialism, hegemony, you know both Russian and Chinese military expenditures are on steroids over the last 5-10 years, a simple google search and the graph goes straight up.
 
Howdy MMC! Well you know I think going forward were going to be seeing more nations standing up to what they perceive as US aggression, imperialism, hegemony, you know both Russian and Chinese military expenditures are on steroids over the last 5-10 years, a simple google search and the graph goes straight up.

Heya Monte. :2wave: He has been making moves and picking up influence. He pulls off the Syrian move and since then it has been full force in effect.....Putin on the Ritz. Threatens to build a second nuke reactor for Iran at Bushehr plus give them modified S 300s. Then drops an Op Ed in the NY Times, with the liberal media letting him do so.
Has the Chinese and Russian trading with using their own currencies.

Then he has had Armenia that just joined the Custom Union in the beginning of Sept. Right after the Chem attack incident in Syria.

Armenia says will join Russia-led customs union.....

Armenia will join a customs union led by its former Soviet master Russia, President Serzh Sarksyan said on Tuesday after talks with his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin.

Much smaller than its energy-exporting neighbors, Armenia's economy will not hugely increase the union's overall trade figures when it joins Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan in a bloc based on ties remaining from the former Soviet Union.

Russia is Armenia's largest trading partner, and bilateral trade grew 22 percent to $1.2 billion last year. Most trade has been imports to the South Caucasus country, nestled between Iran, Georgia and regional rival Azerbaijan.

Russia is the biggest foreign investor in Armenia, with a total of $3 billion in investments in a country whose GDP amounted to $9.9 billion in 2012, according to the World Bank.....snip~

Armenia says will join Russia-led customs union
 
(Reuters) - Russia is reopening a Soviet-era military base in the Arctic, President Vladimir Putin said on Monday, part of a drive to make the northern coast a global shipping route and secure the region's vast energy resources.

Two decades after abandoning it, Russia has sent 10 warships behind four nuclear-powered ice breakers to the base on the Novosibirsk Islands, a show of force as it resumes a permanent naval presence in the thawing region.

The flotilla was led by Russia's flagship nuclear-powered cruiser, Peter the Great, along the Northern Sea Route, which connects Europe to Asia across Russian waters from the Kara Gate to the Bering Strait.

Putin: Russia to reopen Soviet-era Arctic military base | Reuters

Seems Putin has gotten quite cocky and arrogant.....10 Warships. Plus lets not forget they Put a Flag on the Bottom of the artic ocean as well.

"We will not only reopen the military base but restore the airfield to working order and make it possible for the emergency services, hydrologists and climate specialists to work together to ensure the security and effective work of the Northern Sea Route.".....snip~

Yeah.....restore an Airfield. Just for Emergency Services, he says. Hydrologists and Climate Specialists he says. :roll: 4 nuke powered Ice Breakers.
hmmm.gif
.....what was the Hurry again?
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according to some people who do not believe everything the beltway press says, Russia did not gain anything new out of the syrian deal.

Here are a few things that are still true after President Obama’s much-mocked deal with Russian President Vladimir Putin over Syria’s chemical weapons:

The United States, which houses about 4 percent of the world population, accounts for 39 percent of global military spending. America’s military spending matches at least the next ten biggest spenders put together.

America and its formal allies spend around 75 percent of the world’s world’s military dollars. That number is projected to fall to a historic low by 2015 — a still whopping 60 percent.

148 countries (75 percent of all nations) play host to American troops. American foreign bases house by far the most technologically advanced ground, naval, air, and unmanned forces in human history.

US GDP is about twice that of its nearest competitor, China. A recent slowdown in Chinese economic growth suggests Beijing may not catch Washington until the 2100s.

International institutions — the U.N., the IMF, the World Bank — all work to make the rest of the world OK with the American-led order by providing tangible benefits, like free trade on the high seas and means for states to resolve disagreements peacefully.

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/09/16/2624531/syria-proof-american-decline/
 
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according to some people who do not believe everything the beltway press says, Russia did not gain anything new out of the syrian deal.



No, Syria Is Not Proof Of American Decline | ThinkProgress


Guess they didn't consider and count on Political influence. Seems the BRIC Nations are all coming on line. (nows who backyard is that) Also that part about not converting to US dollars and accepting each others currency. Should be a wake Up call for those working at Think Progress, one would think.

As well as Putin working those back into the Customs Union.
 
bang your head...
Quayle, Quayle, called his Mom, everyone else went to 'Nam
 
Guess they didn't consider and count on Political influence. Seems the BRIC Nations are all coming on line. (nows who backyard is that) Also that part about not converting to US dollars and accepting each others currency. Should be a wake Up call for those working at Think Progress, one would think.

As well as Putin working those back into the Customs Union.

what countries views of russia have changed because of syria? has turkey or any other county kicked our troops and military bases out of their territory?

has Russia lost or gained any major allies as a consequence of its position on Syria. Has Russia's economy been affected by its position in Syria?

the best case scenario for Russia militarily is that Assad's regime holds out and Russia keeps it's naval base at tartus.

besides, obama got what he wanted- a agreement to rid Syria of its chemical weapons stockpiles- without firing a shot
 
what countries views of russia have changed because of syria? has turkey or any other county kicked our troops and military bases out of their territory?

has Russia lost or gained any major allies as a consequence of its position on Syria. Has Russia's economy been affected by its position in Syria?

the best case scenario for Russia militarily is that Assad's regime holds out and Russia keeps it's naval base at tartus.

besides, obama got what he wanted- a agreement to rid Syria of its chemical weapons stockpiles- without firing a shot

Evidently.....Armenia, huh?

What is it you are trying to state UWS.....that Putin hasn't gained in Political influence. Has he lost or gained any major allies. Do you think that cementing them. Making ourright bold moves Right in front of our face that put us into a confrontational position with each other. Accounts for anything. Notice all that hoopla about them Building another Nuclear reactor in Iran while giving them S300s Stated Openly, despite sanctions and embargo on Iran. Done thru the Worldwide Media. Did that one escape your attention?

What are we going to and look at what the US conducts as Business as the Proof. What that little piece with the NY Times wasn't enough for your taste to understand the slap in the face he put up. I doubt any who are someone were blind to not have noticed.

Oh you are worried about Obama and what he got. While in the meantime.....Obama didn't get what he wanted. Which was Assad to step down. Which was to remove Assad. So No Obama didn't get what he wanted. Nor did he get to make strikes that would have helped the Rebel/Terrorists in their efforts to take power. Nor did he get to weaken Assad's conventional forces.

Moreover with what you are saying.....thats not the way the rest of the Planet is seeing it.
 
Evidently.....Armenia, huh?

What is it you are trying to state UWS.....that Putin hasn't gained in Political influence. Has he lost or gained any major allies. Do you think that cementing them. Making ourright bold moves Right in front of our face that put us into a confrontational position with each other. Accounts for anything. Notice all that hoopla about them Building another Nuclear reactor in Iran while giving them S300s Stated Openly, despite sanctions and embargo on Iran. Done thru the Worldwide Media. Did that one escape your attention?

What are we going to and look at what the US conducts as Business as the Proof. What that little piece with the NY Times wasn't enough for your taste to understand the slap in the face he put up. I doubt any who are someone were blind to not have noticed.

Oh you are worried about Obama and what he got. While in the meantime.....Obama didn't get what he wanted. Which was Assad to step down. Which was to remove Assad. So No Obama didn't get what he wanted. Nor did he get to make strikes that would have helped the Rebel/Terrorists in their efforts to take power. Nor did he get to weaken Assad's conventional forces.

Moreover with what you are saying.....thats not the way the rest of the Planet is seeing it.

the chemical weapons were the issue, and i don't think the goal is to help the rebels gain power. i think what obama wants is to somehow bring both sides to the negotiating table, and stop the war from tearing up the country.
 
the chemical weapons were the issue, and i don't think the goal is to help the rebels gain power. i think what obama wants is to somehow bring both sides to the negotiating table, and stop the war from tearing up the country.

That's all nice wishing and whatnot.....but there is no getting around. From the time that France, Britain, officially recognized the Rebels/Terrorists as the Ruling and Official government of Syria. Nor Obama Stating Assad must go. Then that the FSA and SNC stated they would not go to any peace talks. Now Idris says it again. Now their newly Elected Prime Minister says there will be no negotiations. Assad Must go. That's despite the US telling them not to hold such an election. Since the UN and All were dealing with Assad. So the US has known all along that the Rebels would not go to the first Peace talk that were set up. Plus now we watched them refuse to go to another set that were set up. Cant have peace if one of the parties refuses to come to the table.

Moreover that's not the issue that was being discussed about Putin gaining Political Influence on the World Stage. Putin making bold moves that puts our Policy into a direct confrontation. Nor does it lessen the impact of Putin Moving fleets around. Enmasse.....other than for War games with China. When have you heard the Russians moving their Naval Fleets enmasse?

Also on a footnote.....the statements made about pinpricking. Johnny Quest McCain running in and siding with Obama. While pushing to help the Rebels/Terrorists take Power pretty much showed. It would be about Regime Change.....despite the denial that such would not be the intention. Since all were concerned about striking and not doing anything to affect what was happening on the ground.
 
That's all nice wishing and whatnot.....but there is no getting around. From the time that France, Britain, officially recognized the Rebels/Terrorists as the Ruling and Official government of Syria. Nor Obama Stating Assad must go. Then that the FSA and SNC stated they would not go to any peace talks. Now Idris says it again. Now their newly Elected Prime Minister says there will be no negotiations. Assad Must go. That's despite the US telling them not to hold such an election. Since the UN and All were dealing with Assad. So the US has known all along that the Rebels would not go to the first Peace talk that were set up. Plus now we watched them refuse to go to another set that were set up. Cant have peace if one of the parties refuses to come to the table.

Moreover that's not the issue that was being discussed about Putin gaining Political Influence on the World Stage. Putin making bold moves that puts our Policy into a direct confrontation. Nor does it lessen the impact of Putin Moving fleets around. Enmasse.....other than for War games with China. When have you heard the Russians moving their Naval Fleets enmasse?

Also on a footnote.....the statements made about pinpricking. Johnny Quest McCain running in and siding with Obama. While pushing to help the Rebels/Terrorists take Power pretty much showed. It would be about Regime Change.....despite the denial that such would not be the intention. Since all were concerned about striking and not doing anything to affect what was happening on the ground.

russia can move it's fleet to Jupiter, it still does not change the fact we still have the most powerful military fleet. i don't give a flying fish cake about what Putin says about us, he is nothing but a merchant of death selling weapons to the Assad regime. he is profiting every time a russian-made bullet kills a civilian, and that is what makes me sick.
 
Looks like Putin's American fan club is at it again.
The GOP should be able to get him his own reality show.
russia can move it's fleet to Jupiter, it still does not change the fact we still have the most powerful military fleet. i don't give a flying fish cake about what Putin says about us, he is nothing but a merchant of death selling weapons to the Assad regime. he is profiting every time a russian-made bullet kills a civilian, and that is what makes me sick.
 
russia can move it's fleet to Jupiter, it still does not change the fact we still have the most powerful military fleet. i don't give a flying fish cake about what Putin says about us, he is nothing but a merchant of death selling weapons to the Assad regime. he is profiting every time a russian-made bullet kills a civilian, and that is what makes me sick.

Yeah okay.....so who says the US doesn't have the Most powerful Fleet. Right.....you don't care what Putin says. Seems theres a whole nother world out there that does. Moreover, they are paying attention.

Where was the US response to Putin stating he would build another nuclear Reactor in Iran? That he would outright defy a UN agreed Ruling for Sanctions and Embargo. How much time do you think we need to make a response to this? Do you think going over the 3 day News cycle is a bit to long? So after a week how are we looking now?

Yeah he is profiting and so to is the US.

 
Yeah okay.....so who says the US doesn't have the Most powerful Fleet. Right.....you don't care what Putin says. Seems theres a whole nother world out there that does. Moreover, they are paying attention.

Where was the US response to Putin stating he would build another nuclear Reactor in Iran? That he would outright defy a UN agreed Ruling for Sanctions and Embargo. How much time do you think we need to make a response to this? Do you think going over the 3 day News cycle is a bit to long? So after a week how are we looking now?

Yeah he is profiting and so to is the US.



i think Putin is going to get a rude awaking at the winter Olympics.
 
the chemical weapons were the issue, and i don't think the goal is to help the rebels gain power. i think what obama wants is to somehow bring both sides to the negotiating table, and stop the war from tearing up the country.

Then you haven't paid attention to twenty years of foreign policy goals for Syria or to what Obama stated from the beginning of the Syrian civil war. President Assad must go!
 
russia can move it's fleet to Jupiter, it still does not change the fact we still have the most powerful military fleet. i don't give a flying fish cake about what Putin says about us, he is nothing but a merchant of death selling weapons to the Assad regime. he is profiting every time a russian-made bullet kills a civilian, and that is what makes me sick.

You've got to be kidding!!!! The biggest arms dealer (merchants of death as you put it) in the world is the USA. What hypocritical garbage.
 
russia can move it's fleet to Jupiter, it still does not change the fact we still have the most powerful military fleet. i don't give a flying fish cake about what Putin says about us, he is nothing but a merchant of death selling weapons to the Assad regime. he is profiting every time a russian-made bullet kills a civilian, and that is what makes me sick.

And Northrop Grumman is profiting every time a missile fired from a drone kills a civilian! That should make you far more sick.
 
An interesting conspiracy theory I was thinking is what if Obama and Putin have made an agreement to "escalate" things so that their respective military complexes could be increased. We can't have increased military spending without a threat, so both sides are playing their roles.

Like I said, a conspiracy theory nonetheless, but an interesting one in my mind to me at least :)
 
An interesting conspiracy theory I was thinking is what if Obama and Putin have made an agreement to "escalate" things so that their respective military complexes could be increased. We can't have increased military spending without a threat, so both sides are playing their roles.

Like I said, a conspiracy theory nonetheless, but an interesting one in my mind to me at least :)

Wasn't Prescott Walker Bush involved in supplying oil to Hitler's army in some back door fashion. Sure war makes money, US and global economy is faltering, big time. Many have argued it was WW11 that lifted us out of depression, not the New Deal. The MIC was born and the subsequent rise of the middle class.
 
Wasn't Prescott Walker Bush involved in supplying oil to Hitler's army in some back door fashion. Sure war makes money, US and global economy is faltering, big time. Many have argued it was WW11 that lifted us out of depression, not the New Deal. The MIC was born and the subsequent rise of the middle class.

I honestly don't know, I haven't read anything about Prescott. The reason I was thinking this is it is the perfect "conflict" to increase military spending. Russia and the U.S. were (for the most part) very stable adversaries in the Cold War in that one side or the other didn't want war but we still increased spending money in not only arms, but weapons and training. Again, it's all a conspiracy theory, just got me thinking is all.
 
(Reuters) - Russia is reopening a Soviet-era military base in the Arctic, President Vladimir Putin said on Monday, part of a drive to make the northern coast a global shipping route and secure the region's vast energy resources.

Two decades after abandoning it, Russia has sent 10 warships behind four nuclear-powered ice breakers to the base on the Novosibirsk Islands, a show of force as it resumes a permanent naval presence in the thawing region.

The flotilla was led by Russia's flagship nuclear-powered cruiser, Peter the Great, along the Northern Sea Route, which connects Europe to Asia across Russian waters from the Kara Gate to the Bering Strait.

Putin: Russia to reopen Soviet-era Arctic military base | Reuters

And?


Fallen.
 
(Reuters) - Russia is reopening a Soviet-era military base in the Arctic, President Vladimir Putin said on Monday, part of a drive to make the northern coast a global shipping route and secure the region's vast energy resources.

Two decades after abandoning it, Russia has sent 10 warships behind four nuclear-powered ice breakers to the base on the Novosibirsk Islands, a show of force as it resumes a permanent naval presence in the thawing region.

The flotilla was led by Russia's flagship nuclear-powered cruiser, Peter the Great, along the Northern Sea Route, which connects Europe to Asia across Russian waters from the Kara Gate to the Bering Strait.

Putin: Russia to reopen Soviet-era Arctic military base | Reuters

In the context of a warming climate that is leading to more and more access to potential resources and emerging shipping lanes, this move makes geopolitical sense. Russia has the largest territory adjacent to the Arctic Ocean. Russia and the other nations bordering the Arctic region have significant interests there.

International legal instruments dealing with the Arctic are lacking, especially as they relate to security and territory. The Arctic Council's declarations, which fall short of binding treaties, offer some guidance on a limited range of issues.

Document Archive - Declarations

The Arctic Council is comprised of the states bordering the Arctic region, along with Greenland, and a number of observer states.
 
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