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Gas prices set record: 1,000 days above $3 a gallon

Obama has been quoted as such, do a Google search. And I didn't claim he had unilateral power to push gas prices down.

He doesn't have unilateral power to push it up either.
 
our energy model is almost as dumb as our health care model. if we don't replace it soon, the wars that our kids will have to fight for access to diminishing resources will become more and more catastrophic. as a side benefit, the actions we take will lead to more terror funded by oil. meanwhile, casino gambling on the price will continue to pull billions out of the economy that could be spent elsewhere, and everyone suffers.

i like my gasoline powered vehicles, too, but this is a one hundred year old technology, and the costs aren't just the retail price. we can do better.

Right, which is why we need to invest in BOTH until alternative is a viable alternate. At this time it is not.
 
So you're excusing the partisan hacks on blaming Obama because partisan hacks blamed Bush. Got it. Now, how does that solve anything again? Oh yeah, I forgot you don't care about that, just blame Obama.

Bush didn't set any records, Obama did. And Obama appears to have actually encouraged high gas prices
 
Obama has been quoted as such, do a Google search.
I did. Here's what I found (spoiler alert: both prove you wrong):

Obama Wanted Higher Gasoline Prices?
The claim that won’t die: Did Obama want higher gas prices? - The Washington Post

Now, obviously I didn't check all of the Internet. So feel free to source your claim Obama did. Thanks.

And I didn't claim he had unilateral power to push gas prices down.
Umm...

He has the power to put in measures that would lower gas prices, but stubbornly chooses not to.
Yeah, you kind of did.
It only makes sense to blame one and not the other when viewed through the lens of partisan ideology.
I'm not blaming either, as I said. What I'm saying is there's much more of a realistic basis to blame the guy with the big oil buddies when gas prices rise $3 a gallon than it does to blame the guy who has seen gas prices remain mostly the same, regardless of how true either claim is.
 
Gasoline tax hadn't changed in freaking decades. Much of the new normal?

Perhaps the reference is to state gasoline taxes, which have certainly increased in many states, including California.
 
Right, which is why we need to invest in BOTH until alternative is a viable alternate. At this time it is not.

no, we need a moonshot initiative to start transitioning and to innovate the next energy model. first step : expand our electrical grid significantly, both privately and publicly. this is a national security issue, and shouldn't just be left to the market to decide when it might be profitable to innovate. we should have taken it seriously in the 1970s. we absolutely must take it seriously now.
 
There are a couple places near me under $3 but most places are around $3.15 for 87
 
no, we need a moonshot initiative to start transitioning and to innovate the next energy model. first step : expand our electrical grid significantly, both privately and publicly. this is a national security issue, and shouldn't just be left to the market to decide when it might be profitable to innovate. we should have taken it seriously in the 1970s. we absolutely must take it seriously now.

Change "Moonshot" to "Moonshine" and you will get a lot more support.
 
I can't say I necessarily feel your pain here, since most of Canada pays well in excess of $4.00 a US gallon equivalent and upwards of $5.00 and Canadians, by virtue of our geography, generally do a lot more driving than the average American needs to do.

That said, the cost at the pumps in almost every jurisdiction has far less to do with OPEC or the open oil market and far more to do with government regulation and taxation in the various North American jurisdictions. If you don't like gas prices, blame your local government first.
 
Change "Moonshot" to "Moonshine" and you will get a lot more support.

unfortunately, ethanol is a piss poor replacement.

however, i like the plan anyway. :lol:
 
I can't say I necessarily feel your pain here, since most of Canada pays well in excess of $4.00 a US gallon equivalent and upwards of $5.00 and Canadians, by virtue of our geography, generally do a lot more driving than the average American needs to do.

That said, the cost at the pumps in almost every jurisdiction has far less to do with OPEC or the open oil market and far more to do with government regulation and taxation in the various North American jurisdictions. If you don't like gas prices, blame your local government first.

Plus, Canada being the geographic size of the US but with a tenth the population, you are spread out a lot thinner (longer travel as you mention) and have less population to be customer base for the industry. Add to that your government provides more services which require more taxation.
 
I did. Here's what I found (spoiler alert: both prove you wrong):

Obama Wanted Higher Gasoline Prices?
The claim that won’t die: Did Obama want higher gas prices? - The Washington Post

Now, obviously I didn't check all of the Internet. So feel free to source your claim Obama did. Thanks.

Umm...


Yeah, you kind of did.

I'm not blaming either, as I said. What I'm saying is there's much more of a realistic basis to blame the guy with the big oil buddies when gas prices rise $3 a gallon than it does to blame the guy who has seen gas prices remain mostly the same, regardless of how true either claim is.

I think the guy who gets words applied like "who has seen gas prices remain mostly the same" is getting a pretty serious pass by those who have a partisan reason to do so.
 
You guys are missing the point....Obama specifically predicted what he was going to do concerning energy, he projected that energy prices would "necessarily skyrocket".... Through tax, and increased regulations that is exactly what is happening, and instead of honest looking at this, the usual suspects are doing the usual thing, blaming Bush, using Bush as a comparison (even though Obama has seen the longest high price records ever), talking in liberal memes about the myth of peak oil, when we know that vast energy resource remains in the ground because we can't get the permits to drill....It's BS!

I am spending $60 per week on gas for two vehicles to get my wife and I to work, and back. That's in a 4 week month $240.00. My electric for my house has risen in the past year from around $100.00 per month, to between $150.00 and $180.00. That works out to the kind of expendable cash that I can't spend in the economy on entertainment, goods, services, vacations, etc. Not to mention groceries (something I know a little about because I deliver some of what y'all buy at the grocery store) have risen as much as 30% to 40% from last year alone. This is due in no small measure to transportation costs.

You greenies, where is the propane powered vehicles? Where are the cheaper alternatives? Obama sure did make it a point to give a lot of my tax money to these companies that were supposed to be developing these things, and now nothing? Except my tax money is gone, and more and more we are served up another story on how the millions, or billions given to a company like this that went belly up, was actually owned by another Obama crony....

Where is Keystone? Where is the relief? Don't tell me how Bush this, and Bush that, Bush is gone damn it, this is OBAMA! And I am damned tired of being played by him and his disingenuous political bull!
 
Plus, Canada being the geographic size of the US but with a tenth the population, you are spread out a lot thinner (longer travel as you mention) and have less population to be customer base for the industry. Add to that your government provides more services which require more taxation.

It wouldn't bother me so much if the government would actually dedicate gas and other transportation related taxes to transportation infrastructure which is sorely in need of annual funding in huge amounts but doesn't get it.
 
Man, I'm right there with you j-mac. Where ARE the propane powered vehicles? Why the hell are the hybrids all running gasoline instead of diesel that can use bio-diesel and/or SVO/WVO (grease) or even propane? Why is the majority of the heating on the East Coast still oil heating? Those units should have been converted long ago.

Where are the cheap and highly efficient solar panels?
 
I think the guy who gets words applied like "who has seen gas prices remain mostly the same" is getting a pretty serious pass by those who have a partisan reason to do so.
Considering gas prices are roughly the same as they were before the financial crash of 2008, I don't see how the comment is at all partisan. Could you explain how a statement of relative truth is partisan?
 
Obama strikes again !~! He is like Zeus nailing poor Americans to the wall with his policies. He is so mighty he even raised the cost of oil in other countries... almost all of them! This monster needs to be stopped!!!
 
In 1950 gas was 26 cents per gallon on average.

What Was the Cost of Gas in 1950's | Reference.com Answers

That equals $2.53 today with inflation

DollarTimes.com | Inflation Calculator

So in real terms, the price of gas has only gone up about $1 over 63 years. Worldwide demand was also a lot lower then than it is now, so when a politician promises less than $2/gallon (ahem, Sarah Palin), what they're saying is that with demand at today's level, they can get prices BELOW what they were in 1950.
 
It wouldn't bother me so much if the government would actually dedicate gas and other transportation related taxes to transportation infrastructure which is sorely in need of annual funding in huge amounts but doesn't get it.

I know, right? And one would think that since you're busy selling off your non-renewable resources your government would at least make the industry fund a low cost to consumer national tranportation system that would carry you into the future.
 
with my Kroger points, my gas is still below $3 at Shell.
Considering gas prices are roughly the same as they were before the financial crash of 2008, I don't see how the comment is at all partisan. Could you explain how a statement of relative truth is partisan?
 
In 1950 gas was 26 cents per gallon on average.

What Was the Cost of Gas in 1950's | Reference.com Answers

That equals $2.53 today with inflation

DollarTimes.com | Inflation Calculator

So in real terms, the price of gas has only gone up about $1 over 63 years. Worldwide demand was also a lot lower then than it is now, so when a politician promises less than $2/gallon (ahem, Sarah Palin), what they're saying is that with demand at today's level, they can get prices BELOW what they were in 1950.

Shhhhhhh Shhhh Shhhh. OBAMA DONE DID IT
 
In 1950 gas was 26 cents per gallon on average.

What Was the Cost of Gas in 1950's | Reference.com Answers

That equals $2.53 today with inflation

DollarTimes.com | Inflation Calculator

So in real terms, the price of gas has only gone up about $1 over 63 years. Worldwide demand was also a lot lower then than it is now, so when a politician promises less than $2/gallon (ahem, Sarah Palin), what they're saying is that with demand at today's level, they can get prices BELOW what they were in 1950.

Perhaps I lived in the cheapest area for gas, but it being an isolated mountain community I don't think so - the price at the station pump was 15-18 cents in the 50s I lived. Heck, the minimum wage was a dollar. And I distrust those calculations for inflation. There has to be something they're not taking into account.
 
I know, right? And one would think that since you're busy selling off your non-renewable resources your government would at least make the industry fund a low cost to consumer national tranportation system that would carry you into the future.

The resources are owned by the provinces, so provinces like Alberta have lower gas prices as well as not having provincial sales taxes, so they do benefit from the exploitation of the resource. The federal government does benefit from the taxation of the entire business and infrastructure is generally funded by all three levels of government, just that it's a big deal to try to get agreement on who will fund what and trying to find the money to dedicate to projects. Too much gas and other transportation taxes go into the black hole of general revenue and get wasted or redirected to social programs.
 
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