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    Re: Obama waives ban on arming terrorists to allow aid to Syrian opposition.

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Being the President of the USA does make you the Commander-In-Chief of the U.S. Military.

    When voters decide who to vote for on election day, they should try to pick a person who has the ability to do the job, before he or she moves into the White House.
    Other than Dwight Eisenhower, who has even run for office (let alone won) that was a military strategist? So, I feel your proposal may not be at all practical.

    In theory (your theory) we should have elected John McCain, not Obama in 2008. He's a good man with some "boots" experience. He no doubt would have acted more decisively in the Syria kerfuffle.

    The CIC position is one of authority, not experience. So, I suspect that most candidates are going to be reliant on guidance from career experts who in turn are influenced by analysts who are influenced by researchers who in turn are influenced by covert spies who are influenced by informants who are....

    I think you are so partisan-weighted that you didn't read my post for what it was, not a defense or attack, but an explanation.

    To show you that I am consistent...based again on your theory....we should have elected Romney who has far more history with business management than Obama at a time when we are floundering economically.

    In other words, you are an advocate of Meritocracy. I am also. But we are a Democracy so it's all about show business, not abilities or experience. Whomever is slickest and makes more credible promises is who we elect.

    Now, speaking of experience, Obama is a community organizer. Fat lot of good thats done for us. He can't even get along with his own people, let alone motivate a nation. So even what he's "qualified" for, has been of little value. So, even had he been a General, it doesn't mean he'd get it right.

    Try to stand back from your partisanship and look at what I'm actually saying. Then, if you like, we can discuss this in greater depth.

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    Re: Obama waives ban on arming terrorists to allow aid to Syrian opposition.

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Other than Dwight Eisenhower, who has even run for office (let alone won) that was a military strategist?
    So, I feel your proposal may not be at all practical.

    In theory (your theory) we should have elected John McCain, not Obama in 2008. He's a good man with some "boots" experience. He no doubt would have acted more decisively in the Syria kerfuffle.

    The CIC position is one of authority, not experience. So, I suspect that most candidates are going to be reliant on guidance from career experts who in turn are influenced by analysts who are influenced by researchers who in turn are influenced by covert spies who are influenced by informants who are....

    I think you are so partisan-weighted that you didn't read my post for what it was, not a defense or attack, but an explanation.

    To show you that I am consistent...based again on your theory....we should have elected Romney who has far more history with business management than Obama at a time when we are floundering economically.

    In other words, you are an advocate of Meritocracy. I am also. But we are a Democracy so it's all about show business, not abilities or experience. Whomever is slickest and makes more credible promises is who we elect.

    Now, speaking of experience, Obama is a community organizer. Fat lot of good thats done for us. He can't even get along with his own people, let alone motivate a nation. So even what he's "qualified" for, has been of little value. So, even had he been a General, it doesn't mean he'd get it right.

    Try to stand back from your partisanship and look at what I'm actually saying. Then, if you like, we can discuss this in greater depth.

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    The first former president that pops up in my head in this regard is George Washington, for sure, there are others.

    If McCain had been elected president he probably would have attacked Iran and Syria in his first term.

    Voters in the USA dodged a big bullet by not putting that loose cannon in the White House.

    President Obama doesn't need any excuses, he did a good enough job in his first term that he was re-elected by a sizable margin over a somewhat credible opponent.
    Last edited by shrubnose; 09-18-13 at 02:42 PM.

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    Re: Obama waives ban on arming terrorists to allow aid to Syrian opposition.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I can't tell if I agree or disagree with that Simon, might you rephrase it please?
    Find the text of what Obama signed.
    But the laws seem to be having the same effect since he signed w/e as before he signed w/e.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Obama waives ban on arming terrorists to allow aid to Syrian opposition.

    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    Because you are wrong? Care to explain Reagan arming terrorist as well???
    Because I know it's BS. What, specifically, is your claim about Reagan?
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    Re: Obama waives ban on arming terrorists to allow aid to Syrian opposition.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Then why was it listed as a terrorist org for 15 years?
    Imprecise thinking.
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    Re: Obama waives ban on arming terrorists to allow aid to Syrian opposition.

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The first former president that pops up in my head in this regard is George Washington, for sure, there are others.

    If McCain had been elected president he probably would have attacked Iran and Syria in his first term.

    Voters in the USA dodged a big bullet by not putting that loose cannon in the White House.

    President Obama doesn't need any excuses, he did a good enough job in his first term that he was re-elected by a sizable margin over a somewhat credible opponent.
    Make up your mind. First, you say the President should have to be a military strategist. Then you say that the military strategist would be a "loose cannon". So, other than traditional partisan rhetoric, what is your point?

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    Re: Obama waives ban on arming terrorists to allow aid to Syrian opposition.

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Make up your mind. First, you say the President should have to be a military strategist. Then you say that the military strategist would be a "loose cannon". So,
    other than traditional partisan rhetoric, what is your point?



    Other than traditional partisan rhetoric what is your point?

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    Re: Obama waives ban on arming terrorists to allow aid to Syrian opposition.

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    The only thing that is not completely republican about this move is we know about it.
    The first black President is Republican.
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    Re: Obama waives ban on arming terrorists to allow aid to Syrian opposition.

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Other than traditional partisan rhetoric what is your point?
    My point is asking you what your point is? I'm defending Obama against your (IMHO) unreasonable insistence that a President must be a military strategist. I say it isn't necessary or plausible.

    If you think I'm partisan, please tell me who it is I'm partisan for. Have you even read my posts or are you having some sort of automated response? When Obama is right, I support him. When he's wrong, I criticize him. If you can remember what the OP is, you'd realize that I've done nothing but attempt to explain why Obama has made the decision he's under attack for.

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    Re: Obama waives ban on arming terrorists to allow aid to Syrian opposition.

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    I want to start off by saying that I disagree with President Obamas decision to allow funding. On the other hand I'm just pumped to see the Obama haters come in and level him for the same exact thing that Bush did. It's always fun to be hypocritical!
    For gods sake the man has been out of office going on 5 years. when are you going to let it go? what is the statute of limitation of the blame Bush or Bush did it also going to run out? all it does is make you look desperate to either excuse or distract from Obama and his failed presidency. you sound like a 7 year old "well so and so did it also"


    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    Because you are wrong? Care to explain Reagan arming terrorist as well???
    And if it wasn't bad enough going back 5 years you see fit to go back 25 years why stop their lets go back 70 years and blame FDR for arming Russia
    Last edited by trfjr; 09-18-13 at 06:02 PM.

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