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    Re: UN report on Syria has been released

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The only countries arguing that the rebels did it are Russia, the Iranian regime and such. No western country has contested the US conclusion that Assad forces conducted the attack.
    That's not saying a whole lot. Most of the western countries also thought Sadaam had "stockiles" of WMDs. I'm not putting to much stock in the whole coorelation thing of anyone atm.

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    Re: UN report on Syria has been released

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    That's not saying a whole lot. Most of the western countries also thought Sadaam had "stockiles" of WMDs. I'm not putting to much stock in the whole coorelation thing of anyone atm.
    Saddam faked a WMD program. Are you claiming that Assad faked the chem use?

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    Re: UN report on Syria has been released

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Saddam faked a WMD program. Are you claiming that Assad faked the chem use?
    Not that he fakes it, but are you telling me that you believe 100% that he used them? Are you saying that our intelligence cannot be wrong?

    At this time, I don't know for sure and I haven't been shown anything other than "trust us, it was him" to think otherwise.

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    Re: UN report on Syria has been released

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The only countries arguing that the rebels did it are Russia, the Iranian regime and such. No western country has contested the US conclusion that Assad forces conducted the attack.
    This isn't saying anything at all. Of course US allies are going to line up on the side of the US, and Russia's allies are going to line up on its side.
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    Re: UN report on Syria has been released

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    This isn't saying anything at all. Of course US allies are going to line up on the side of the US, and Russia's allies are going to line up on its side.
    Russia's allies are just Assad and the Iranian regime.

    Now, let's compare... who has the more credible allies?

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    Re: UN report on Syria has been released

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Russia's allies are just Assad and the Iranian regime.

    Now, let's compare... who has the more credible allies?
    I don't think it's even worth discussing. Unless you have evidence that the Syrian government used chemical weapons?
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    Re: UN report on Syria has been released

    The site failed for me a number of times. For those who could not get to the UN site, I put a copy up on Scribd. United Nations Mission to Investigate Allegations of the Use of Chemical Weapons
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    Re: UN report on Syria has been released

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Not that he fakes it, but are you telling me that you believe 100% that he used them?
    Yes, I believe 100% that Assad used them. The US claims to have intel, audio and photo evidence that Assad's regime:

    1. Prepared for the attack, including communications among high ranking officers.
    2. Collected the chems from a known storage facility.
    3. Prepared and loaded the rockets.
    4. Fired the rockets.
    5. Conducted after-actions assessments.


    Are you saying that our intelligence cannot be wrong?
    I'm saying that it is a known fact that Saddam faked a WMD program. Are you claiming that Assad faked the chem use? Otherwise, there is no meaningful link between the two events.

    At this time, I don't know for sure and I haven't been shown anything other than "trust us, it was him" to think otherwise.
    When you get on the Intel Committee, perhaps they'll give you the evidence. For now, that's being held back for security reasons.

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    Re: UN report on Syria has been released

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    I don't think it's even worth discussing. Unless you have evidence that the Syrian government used chemical weapons?
    Why is it not worth discussing? Do you make it a habit to believe the Iranian regime?

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    Re: UN report on Syria has been released

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Yes, I believe 100% that Assad used them. The US claims to have intel, audio and photo evidence that Assad's regime:

    1. Prepared for the attack, including communications among high ranking officers.
    2. Collected the chems from a known storage facility.
    3. Prepared and loaded the rockets.
    4. Fired the rockets.
    5. Conducted after-actions assessments.




    I'm saying that it is a known fact that Saddam faked a WMD program. Are you claiming that Assad faked the chem use? Otherwise, there is no link between the two events.



    When you get on the Intel Committee, perhaps they'll give you the evidence. For now, that's being held back for security reasons.
    I must note that a number of congressmen and women have seen the evidence from the Obama administration and come out even more skeptical.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Well, the House has seen the intel and some of them are quite skeptical. For example Congressman Justin Amash. (https://twitter.com/repjustinamash/s...19778053509120) (https://twitter.com/repjustinamash/s...81868678246400) (https://twitter.com/repjustinamash/s...05762903646208) and Congressman Tom Harkin (Harkin on Classified Syria Briefing: 'Frankly Raised More Questions Than It Answered' | The Weekly Standard).

    As well as New Hampshire Democratic Rep. Carol Shea-Porter, who "left Thursday’s classified hearing and said she was opposed to the effort 'now so more than ever." (Chemical weapons argument isn)


    Also, it has been noted that

    In fact, even gaining access to just the classified summary involves a series of unreasonably high hurdles.

    We have to descend into the bowels of the Capitol Visitors Center, to a room four levels underground. Per the instructions of the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, note-taking is not allowed.

    Once we leave, we are not permitted to discuss the classified summary with the public, the media, our constituents or even other members. Nor are we allowed to do anything to verify the validity of the information that has been provided.

    And this is just the classified summary. It is my understanding that the House Intelligence Committee made a formal request for the underlying intelligence reports several days ago. I haven’t heard an answer yet. And frankly, I don’t expect one.


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