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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    LOL! Afghanistan? You mean where borders essentially do not exist? Where the former Soviet Union invaded and probably left behind thousands? Where they are much closer to soviet era arms dealers, Chinese copy's, and so on? There are cheap ak47s around the globe man.
    Yes, I am aware of their wide availability. Why would you think otherwise?


    Because they are cheap and reliable hunks of metal. Seriously. Do you not know firearms?
    you just quoted a post where I indicate that they are cheap and widely available.

    The damn gun is on the national flag of Mozambique. Basically if you visit any 3rd world nation you will find an ak47. They are like shotguns in the United States.
    That likely has more to do with the fact it was seen as the gun of the "revolution" and the Mozambique Liberation Front's ties to the soviets. Also during my travels in india Gun crime seemed rather scarce outside of areas with insurgent activity. And what crime there was certainly didn't involve Ak's. The same with Thailand, Bhutan, and Sri Lanka

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    Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Yes, I am aware of their wide availability. Why would you think otherwise?




    you just quoted a post where I indicate that they are cheap and widely available.



    That likely has more to do with the fact it was seen as the gun of the "revolution" and the Mozambique Liberation Front's ties to the soviets. Also during my travels in india Gun crime seemed rather scarce outside of areas with insurgent activity. And what crime there was certainly didn't involve Ak's. The same with Thailand, Bhutan, and Sri Lanka
    Really? Your claim was that these weapons are widely available...outside the United States. The person to which you are responding was obviously not talking about Afghanistan. Hence my mocking tone and the comparison of an ak47 to a shotgun within the United States.

    As for "crime in India," the weapon of choice is a common criminal gun world wide...and cheaper than an Ak47...a single shot weapon that can be simply made, concealed, and so on. Seriously? They don't need a full auto. The market is cheap and concealable weapons.

    In the United States the market isn't ak47s or other "assault weapons." It is for cheap and easy to use weapons. Usually handgun or shotguns.
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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    You brought this up earlier and I pointed to the very weak level of control that occurs over interstate trade and travel (It's practically non-existent). The same can not be said for national borders

    Secondly, going by your logic, we should be seeing a huge trade in illegal full autos, but they tend to represent an extremely small amount of the types of guns that are confiscated and used in crimes
    Really, that must be why we have so many illegal immigrants crossing over from Mexico.

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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Really? Your claim was that these weapons are widely available...outside the United States. The person to which you are responding was obviously not talking about Afghanistan. Hence my mocking tone and the comparison of an ak47 to a shotgun within the United States.

    As for "crime in India," the weapon of choice is a common criminal gun world wide...and cheaper than an Ak47...a single shot weapon that can be simply made, concealed, and so on. Seriously? They don't need a full auto. The market is cheap and concealable weapons.

    In the United States the market isn't ak47s or other "assault weapons." It is for cheap and easy to use weapons. Usually handgun or shotguns.
    I still don't understand what you are attempting to address or what your argument is. You literally seem to be going on a rant without purpose does does not address anything I wrote. Could it be you're over emotional and ranting about nothing?

    Really? Your claim was that these weapons are widely available...outside the United States.
    Yes. Which is why I pointed to their wide availability ***in places like Afghanistan***


    The person to which you are responding was obviously not talking about Afghanistan.
    Yes, he was talking about the expense of smuggling weapons and lack of demand. Which raises two points: 1) why would they be expensive when cheap full autos are widely available. If we can't control the flow of guns from outside, in case of a ban, then these guns should be flooding our streets.

    2) Why would you assume there was no demand? People both use long guns and autos can be had in compact subs.

    Hence my mocking tone and the comparison of an ak47 to a shotgun within the United States.
    Which doesn't make any sense given the context


    As for "crime in India," the weapon of choice is a common criminal gun world wide...and cheaper than an Ak47...a single shot weapon that can be simply made, concealed, and so on.
    You just claimed that the ak can be found anywhere in the developing world. So that was wrong?

    They don't need a full auto. The market is cheap and concealable weapons.
    Why wouldn't they need a full auto?


    In the United States the market isn't ak47s or other "assault weapons." It is for cheap and easy to use weapons. Usually handgun or shotguns.
    You just got done arguing the AK was cheap and easy to use
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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Really, that must be why we have so many illegal immigrants crossing over from Mexico.
    this was already covered about a dozen times.

    Proof by assertion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    you should really read that

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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    this was already covered about a dozen times.

    Proof by assertion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    you should really read that
    This has nothing to do with the topic of the thread. We have illegal immigrants crossing the borders every day. For someone who claims to be from here, you sure don't know anything about our country, our rights, the way things work here. I think you might live in a cave on a mountain somewhere.

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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

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    secondly, I couldn't care less about foreigners' opinions on our rights. I generally see foreigners whining about rights they don' t have as Aesop Fox whining.
    Why would I want your rights in Dardania also? Why would I want to end up fighting for rights that ultimately kill me?

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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Why would I want your rights in Dardania also? Why would I want to end up fighting for rights that ultimately kill me?



    Denial does not helps the problems that you are facing.
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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

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    That's the cost of Freedom, if you are not willing to die for it, you don't have it. Ask our founding fathers.
    Nice signature.

    But you see I am free. I do not need to fight till the death for a right that will kill me neither? Why should you?
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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Nice signature.

    But you see I am free. I do not need to fight till the death for a right that will kill me neither? Why should you?
    What makes some of you that oppose my constitutional right to own a gun, so scared that I am going to use it on you? Unless you have some thought in your head that you plan on doing harm to me or my family, you literally have NO chance of even knowing that I have the weapon. It irrational, and quite paranoid. In fact, I'd say that you come into contact everyday more than once with a gun owner, or a CCW holder, and don't even know it.

    Your argument is an appeal to emotion, and a falsehood on its very premise.
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