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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Oh, please. Tell us the story of psychoactive pharmaceuticals and how they relate.

    I'm pretty sure you've got lots of propaganda and misinformation in store for us....
    There is only a statistical relationship, and of course that does not definitively establish a cause and effect relationship.

    The statistics are that most of the people who commit such shootings are or have been treated with powerful psychoactive drugs, with the SSRI variety most common.

    Several years ago, counting Columbine and several other such events, out of about 25 such shooters, 20 of them fell into that category. It appears so far that this guy adds +1.

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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    You brought this up earlier and I pointed to the very weak level of control that occurs over interstate trade and travel (It's practically non-existent). The same can not be said for national borders

    Secondly, going by your logic, we should be seeing a huge trade in illegal full autos, but they tend to represent an extremely small amount of the types of guns that are confiscated and used in crimes
    The same can not be said for national borders? Really? That's great news! When did we gain control of our southern border?

    and what makes you think that those guns being used on the streets of Chicago come from out of state? Is there any evidence that they do?
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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The same can not be said for national borders? Really?
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    That's great news! When did we gain control of our southern border?
    people successfully crossing the border, or smuggling something through it, does not change the fact that there exist a higher degree of control when compared to those between the states. In fact, there needs to be no pretense made to "crossing and smuggling" across state borders making the difference rather obvious


    and what makes you think that those guns being used on the streets of Chicago come from out of state? Is there any evidence that they do?
    So the argument is that intercounty trade is more controlled than interstate trade?


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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Yes




    people successfully crossing the border, or smuggling something through it, does not change the fact that there exist a higher degree of control when compared to those between the states. In fact, there needs to be no pretense made to "crossing and smuggling" across state borders making the difference rather obvious




    So the argument is that intercounty trade is more controlled than interstate trade?


    and what makes you think that those guns being used on the streets of Chicago come from out of state? Is there any evidence that they do?
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    I suppose you could say that intercounty trade is more controlled than interstate trade, as long as it is legal trade.

    and those guns being used on the streets of Chicago, where do they come from? How do we know?
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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post

    I suppose you could say that intercounty trade is more controlled than interstate trade, as long as it is legal trade.
    short of being made in chicago, they have to come from outside of it. And no, intercounty trade is just as wide open as interstate trade.

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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    short of being made in chicago, they have to come from outside of it. And no, intercounty trade is just as wide open as interstate trade.
    You brought this up earlier and I pointed to the very weak level of control that occurs over interstate trade and travel (It's practically non-existent). The same can not be said for national borders
    You seem to have switched sides.

    Moreover, Chicago is not a state.
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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You seem to have switched sides.
    ?

    Moreover, Chicago is not a state.
    I wasn't under the impression it was.

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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    You brought this up earlier and I pointed to the very weak level of control that occurs over interstate trade and travel (It's practically non-existent). The same can not be said for national borders

    Secondly, going by your logic, we should be seeing a huge trade in illegal full autos, but they tend to represent an extremely small amount of the types of guns that are confiscated and used in crimes
    Full autos are not smuggled much as there is a very small market. Too expensive for the sports market, and even the dumbest of cops would tend to notice a convenience store thief with a Browning shoved down his pants.

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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Full autos are not smuggled much as there is a very small market.
    Legal transactions are certainly expensive, given the various transfer fees and taxes imposed on class 3 weapons (not to mention, scarcity). But cheap full autos seem widely available in places like afghanistan for under 100 US.




    Too expensive for the sports market, and even the dumbest of cops would tend to notice a convenience store thief with a Browning shoved down his pants.
    What are the confiscation and crime rates for long guns? I know hand guns likely represent a majority of such numbers, but I imagine there will still be a significant number of long guns in the mix. Not to mention, there are plenty of concealable and small subs on the market

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    Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Legal transactions are certainly expensive, given the various transfer fees and taxes imposed on class 3 weapons (not to mention, scarcity). But cheap full autos seem widely available in places like afghanistan for under 100 US.
    LOL! Afghanistan? You mean where borders essentially do not exist? Where the former Soviet Union invaded and probably left behind thousands? Where they are much closer to soviet era arms dealers, Chinese copy's, and so on? There are cheap ak47s around the globe man. Because they are cheap and reliable hunks of metal. Seriously. Do you not know firearms? The damn gun is on the national flag of Mozambique. Basically if you visit any 3rd world nation you will find an ak47. They are like shotguns in the United States.
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