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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It's completely relevant so that your hypocrisy is revealed.
    Logical Fallacy: Tu Quoque

    also, if you would actually read what is posted here you would know you're barking up the wrong tree

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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    I've already explained the fact that because drugs are ILLEGAL and you cannot obtain them legally, it makes for a strong black market. The same thing will happen with guns here in America. The criminals are NOT going to just say, "oh well, I guess I can't have guns because it's illegal for me to have one." They will find a way to get them regardless. And yes, if guns were ever outlawed, that would CERTAINLY strengthen the black market for them.

    We are not Japan. We are not an island nation. Our borders are NOT secure. We have a MUCH bigger population and our Constitutional rights make us unique.

    A VERY interesting perspective here. I encourage you all to read this.

    The Laymanís Guide to Black Market Firearms

    An excerpt:

    So here’s the bottom line on what you need to know about the black market. If enough people want an item or a service and are willing to pay for it, other people are going to provide it whether it’s legal or not. Drugs, gambling, prostitution, you name it. Those things have been around since before recorded history, by the way, they’re with us still, and they always will be because there are enough people who want those services that the cash rewards are worth it to the criminals.

    Personal and parental responsibility is the only way to reduce firearm-related tragedy. Ladies and Gentlemen of America: Do you love your children? If the firearm issue is an important one to you, then the best thing you can ever do will be to take a gun safety course with your child. When you’re dealing with something like a weapon, your best course is to obtain knowledge and understanding, not trying to make the problem magically go away by passing meaningless laws that aren’t prosecuted. Talk to your local State’s Attorneys and make it clear to them that you want gun-related crime like armed robberies and the like prosecuted to the fullest extent.

    Adding more laws that don’t work to the already existing thousands that are not enforced is like smoke in the wind. Our children are too precious to waste any more time on "solutions" that don’t work.

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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Logical Fallacy: Tu Quoque

    also, if you would actually read what is posted here you would know you're barking up the wrong tree
    It's quite obvious that you can't answer a simple question, so I'm not wasting any more of my time on the likes of you. You are approaching this in a rather trollish manner.

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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    1) Do you understand how to construct an argument? FYI, it consists of more than simply making loud noises and going "Nu-uh"
    I think you should take your own advice. My arguments have made perfect sense, when you cannot even answer simple questions. You are obviously trolling for attention.

    2) Second, you're argument was that legislative restrictions won't limit access to fire arms and that if such restrictions do work (though you assure us such is impossible) that people would simply turn to more deadly devices like bombs. To counter that I don't need to compare the US to japan (which is why I never actually did such), only point out that both your assertions were proven wrong with legislation introduced in Japan (<~~~~~see, no comparison)
    Again, you don't understand the issues apparently. Your comparing anything about us with Japan is retarded.

    3) Why do you think such controls could be introduced in japan but not the US?
    Who cares? This is the United States of America, and we have constitutional rights. We are NOT Japan.

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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Logical Fallacy: Tu Quoque

    also, if you would actually read what is posted here you would know you're barking up the wrong tree
    Is that the best you could come up? I guess when you run out of arguments, you have to go super stupid.

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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I've already explained the fact that because drugs are ILLEGAL and you cannot obtain them legally, it makes for a strong black market. The same thing will happen with guns here in America.
    As I already pointed out, we do not see this phenomenon occurring in japan, where drugs are readily available but guns are not. This is likely because how profitable drugs are, how small profitable quantities are, the fact that they are a consumed good, and in developed nations, have a larger market than illegal guns.


    They will find a way to get them regardless.
    Yet we have not seen such in Japan ...


    And yes, if guns were ever outlawed, that would CERTAINLY strengthen the black market for them.
    yet that did not happen in Japan


    We are not Japan. We are not an island nation. Our borders are NOT secure. We have a MUCH bigger population and our Constitutional rights make us unique.
    Smuggling occurs in japan ...

    A VERY interesting perspective here. I encourage you all to read this.
    it just repeats the same arguments you have repeatedly failed to defend

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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

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    As I already pointed out, we do not see this phenomenon occurring in japan, where drugs are readily available but guns are not. This is likely because how profitable drugs are, how small profitable quantities are, the fact that they are a consumed good, and in developed nations, have a larger market than illegal guns.

    No, this is due to the fact that Japan is an island nation and MUCH smaller than the United States. DERP!

    Yet we have not seen such in Japan ...




    yet that did not happen in Japan
    Again, you cannot compare us to Japan realistically. You seem desperate.



    Smuggling occurs in japan ...



    it just repeats the same arguments you have repeatedly failed to defend
    Your Japan argument is ridiculous. I'm sure everyone can realize that for themselves though. Keep going and looking foolish though. It just demonstrates that you don't know what you're talking about, and I don't even believe that you are really a citizen of the US. You just show a very poor understanding of how things work in the US. You must be a brit.

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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    No, this is due to the fact that Japan is an island nation and MUCH smaller than the United States. DERP!
    Then feel free to cite this robust trade in geographically similar countries

    Again, you cannot compare us to Japan realistically. You seem desperate.
    No, just pointing out that your inevitable outcomes don't actually exist in reality. But if you want, feel free to point out the foreign states who have restrictive gun measures and outline the creation of this well stocked and easily accessible black market


    Your Japan argument is ridiculous. I'm sure everyone can realize that for themselves though. Keep going and looking foolish though. It just demonstrates that you don't know what you're talking about, and I don't even believe that you are really a citizen of the US. You just show a very poor understanding of how things work in the US. You must be a brit.
    As I mentioned earlier you should do a bit of research on how to construct an argument.

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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post

    Then feel free to cite this robust trade in geographically similar countries



    No, just pointing out that your inevitable outcomes don't actually exist in reality. But if you want, feel free to point out the foreign states who have restrictive gun measures and outline the creation of this well stocked and easily accessible black market




    As I mentioned earlier you should do a bit of research on how to construct an argument.
    You can't be serious? Look at Chicago and Washington DC. The strictest gun laws in the nation and some of the highest murder rates. God! Educate yourself will you?

    Deadly Distinction: Chicago Has the Highest Murder Rate in the U.S. | News | BET
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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You can't be serious? Look at Chicago and Washington DC. The strictest gun laws in the nation and some of the highest murder rates. God! Educate yourself will you?
    You brought this up earlier and I pointed to the very weak level of control that occurs over interstate trade and travel (It's practically non-existent). The same can not be said for national borders

    Secondly, going by your logic, we should be seeing a huge trade in illegal full autos, but they tend to represent an extremely small amount of the types of guns that are confiscated and used in crimes

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