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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    BTW are you going to answer my question? It seems the gun fearful have a hard time doing that
    I don't know what it was.

    But no. I won't. My direct refutation to very specific arguments were basically ignored and deflection to irrelevancy seems to be SOP. It's pointless to respond.
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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    I don't know what it was.

    But no. I won't. My direct refutation to very specific arguments were basically ignored and deflection to irrelevancy seems to be SOP. It's pointless to respond.
    OK lets try something easier

    what laws would have stopped a guy who had the clearance to get into the base from killing people other than arming his intended victims



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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    There's a ton of them here!
    There are, and they seem to think they can outlaw the object of their fear.
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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    There are, and they seem to think they can outlaw the object of their fear.
    You can outlaw it. How effective it will be? Probably as effective as outlawing illegal drugs and DUI. There are many things that could be done other than outlawing them outright.
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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Me, I am not sure I would support life sentences for "violent" gun crime in general. For me, it would need to be limited to things like "deadly" actual and attempted assaults (example: pistol whipping someone wouldn't necessarily be on par with shooting someone, in my book). But over all, I do agree penalties are way too lenient here across the board. I also feel the p2p gun sales need to be tightened and that we need better mental health monitoring, especially in direct relation to gun ownership

    PS one area that would also need working on if such penalties were enacted would be those governing self-defense. As it now stands, I would not feel safe with such changes taking place
    That kind of backs away from the very thing that DID actually make a dent in the illegal use of firearms in Japan. so...maybe not 'life...just...I dont know...mandatory minimum of 30 PLUS the sentence-no possibility of parole on the mandatory minimum for ALL gun crimes, life if used with deadly intent. Now we are on to something.

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Vance mack just sited material that asserts the exact opposite and you thanked him for it.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1062333004
    Thats not the case. i cited an article that stated severe penalties, not more gun cotnrol measures. Those are definitely two different things. Japan passed strict laws...they were routinely broken and weapons were smuggled in. THEN they passed severe sentences on the violation of existing law. No new laws. Stricter sentencing guidelines. THAT is all that did the trick.

    Seriously...WHY? WHY a push for new/more/different laws? NOTHING would have made a difference in THIS case and the laws are ALREADY in place to combat day to day violent crime.

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    That kind of backs away from the very thing that DID actually make a dent in the illegal use of firearms in Japan.
    What do you mean? I made clear I had practical concerns, but that in principle I supported it

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Thats not the case. i cited an article that stated severe penalties, not more gun cotnrol measures. Those are definitely two different things. Japan passed strict laws...they were routinely broken and weapons were smuggled in. THEN they passed severe sentences on the violation of existing law. No new laws. Stricter sentencing guidelines. THAT is all that did the trick.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1062333108

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    What do you mean? I made clear I had practical concerns, but that in principle I supported it
    That 'practical concern' is the loophole. Japan didnt engage in loopholes. They hit people HARD with sentences...regardless of the level of use. That did the trick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Your response is to link to a post YOU made, quoting me stating that in fact it was NOT new law but increased sentences for existing law as proving your point? Que?

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