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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You should try that yourself. Thats not what that report said. There was no shortage of ACCESS. They were smuggling in firearms routinely. Japan increased the PENALTY to such a level that the CRIMINALS decided it wasnt worth it.
    right, so those stricter gun laws *limited access* ...

    Now...show me how that is ANYTHING different than what I have said all along. The BAN didnt stop criminal possession...the PENALTY did.
    You have been arguing gun laws do not deter criminals. Above you directly cite "gun laws" "deterring criminals"

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    So we're just going to ignore the fact that you claimed to be thoroughly educated on a subject despite not knowing the very basics of the discussion, and that your idea of "a study" wouldn't even pass muster in a grade school research paper?
    when I give someone an easy opportunity to tell us what gun laws he opposes and which ones he supports and he then engages in such silly evasions, I have to conclude that you are not able to honestly post your beliefs because they tend to be more sinister than you would have us believe



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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The point is this: The gun did not murder 12 people.
    Ok? And how does that address anything I wrote here?


    The shooter did, and gun owners should not have to pay the price for the rampage. But gun control advocates will, of course, insist on it.
    So in response to me pointing out that I support gun ownership and am simply arguing against people making silly arguments like "gun laws do not restrict firearm access" and "knives are more deadly than guns, in general" you bring up the above?

    Again, I ask, how does that make sense?

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    right, so those stricter gun laws *limited access* ...



    You have been arguing gun laws do not deter criminals. Above you directly cite "gun laws" "deterring criminals"
    GUn laws do NOT deter criminals. Thats not what deterred criminals in Japan. The laws were already on the books. What CHANGED was increased PENALTIES.

    So..how about it...all for life sentences for violent criminals that use a firearm in the commission of a violent crime, right? Notice...that requires NO new gun laws...just harsher sentences for EXISTING gun laws. You know...like what caused the criminals to rethink their strategy in Japan.

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    GUn laws do NOT deter criminals. Thats not what deterred criminals in Japan. The laws were already on the books. What CHANGED was increased PENALTIES.

    So..how about it...all for life sentences for violent criminals that use a firearm in the commission of a violent crime, right? Notice...that requires NO new gun laws...just harsher sentences for EXISTING gun laws. You know...like what caused the criminals to rethink their strategy in Japan.

    gun haters don't acknowledge that there are good gun owners who use guns for good purposes and bad gun owners who misuse or intentionally harm others with guns

    gun restrictions tend to have little if any impact on the latter but impacts the latter a great deal. We can only conclude that those who push for gun laws are either ignorant of that fact or intend to obstruct legal gun ownership for reasons that have nothing to do with crime control



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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    when I give someone an easy opportunity
    lol, I guess you could define it as such. But to me, it looked like someone trying to gloss over the fact they were adopting the role of an expert on a topic they knew absolutely nothing about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    PS I would probably hold off on calling chain emails "studies". The later suggests something of actual academic merit
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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    gun haters don't acknowledge that there are good gun owners who use guns for good purposes and bad gun owners who misuse or intentionally harm others with guns

    gun restrictions tend to have little if any impact on the latter but impacts the latter a great deal. We can only conclude that those who push for gun laws are either ignorant of that fact or intend to obstruct legal gun ownership for reasons that have nothing to do with crime control
    All he wants to do is pass them laws. More laws..ANY laws...but...hes a gun owner...honest!!!
    At least he has some new buddies that share his vision.

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    GUn laws do NOT deter criminals. Thats not what deterred criminals in Japan. The laws were already on the books. What CHANGED was increased PENALTIES.
    Penalties are the functional aspect of "gun laws"


    So..how about it...all for life sentences for violent criminals that use a firearm in the commission of a violent crime, right? Notice...that requires NO new gun laws...just harsher sentences for EXISTING gun laws. You know...like what caused the criminals to rethink their strategy in Japan.
    You realize a change in penalties would require a functional and textual change to "gun laws"? You're making a distinction without a difference

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