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    Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Not at all. The point was VERY clear. Automatic weapons are little more than "spray and pray" weapons. They are inefficient. Lots of wasted ordinance...lots of bang and clatter...very little results. Whats the matter...do you NOT read all the anti gun talking points showing why an AR style weapon is such a 'perfect' killing machine?

    Tell us ALL ABOUT how those gun laws are doing in your little ****hole you live in.
    No. Lets focus on the actual argument instead of diverting.

    You said gun laws have no effect upon gun availability. I showed Gun laws restrict gun availability. Thats the thesis. And its undoubtedly true, which is why you hate gun laws. They'll cut into your toys and freedom to open up holes in other peoples internal organs when you get skeered.
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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    No. Lets focus on the actual argument instead of diverting.

    Gun laws restrict gun availability. Thats the thesis. And its undoubtedly true, which is why you hate gun laws. They'll cut into your toys and freedom to open up holes in other peoples internal organs when you get skeered.
    Really? Gun laws restrict gun availability? Hows that working in Chicago? And for the record...you are cool with ARs...its just fully auto machine guns you are concerned about now?

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    No. Lets focus on the actual argument instead of diverting.

    You said gun laws have no effect upon gun availability. I showed Gun laws restrict gun availability. Thats the thesis. And its undoubtedly true, which is why you hate gun laws. They'll cut into your toys and freedom to open up holes in other peoples internal organs when you get skeered.
    Basically, they don't want gun laws because they like to play Wild West. If you make rules for your child's dirt bike use or set a curfew, he won't like it either. He will throw a tantrum like the rednecks who want their guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanUNC View Post
    Basically, they don't want gun laws because they like to play Wild West. If you make rules for your child's dirt bike use or set a curfew, he won't like it either. He will throw a tantrum like the rednecks who want their guns.
    Isn't it funny how it is the cities with liberal governments and restrictive gun laws that have that Wild West environment? Places like...oh...say...Chicago?

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Isn't it funny how it is the cities with liberal governments and restrictive gun laws that have that Wild West environment? Places like...oh...say...Chicago?
    Maybe if you think like a simpleton. Who can tell me what is wrong with this logic:

    1. (a) There is violence in Chicago
    1. (b) Chicago has gun laws
    2. Therefore, gun laws cause violence.

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    No but this counterargument is stupid and aimed at trivialization and distraction. I do not care to speak of swimming pools and/or cars. What they have to do with accidental death is a subject for another thread.

    The issue is about guns and your constitutional right to "bare arms." You are fighting to keep this right even though it may increase the odds of being killed by it.

    That is astonishing. As Threegoofs put it: Fight to the death for the right to be killed easier.
    first of all it is to BEAR arms. Bare arms are ones that get cold or sunburned

    secondly, I couldn't care less about foreigners' opinions on our rights. I generally see foreigners whining about rights they don' t have as Aesop Fox whining.

    The statistics indicate that trained respectful people increase my chances of surviving rather than the other way around. And I certainly am in a better position to make that decision than you are.

    Threegoofs is always wrong on this issue. Quoting his incorrect nonsense is "fatal" in this debate



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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ethanUNC View Post
    Basically, they don't want gun laws because they like to play Wild West. If you make rules for your child's dirt bike use or set a curfew, he won't like it either. He will throw a tantrum like the rednecks who want their guns.
    its interesting that the anti gun nonsense has shifted from coming from "liberals" "progressives" and "socialists" to new "slightly conservatives" who appear to be Ben and Jerry Seminar posters.

    the fact is-laws that punish criminal misuse or reckless discharge of weapons are proper and sound state actions. laws that exist only to harass honest gun owners or have the effect of mainly harassing honest gun owners are idiotic. It is the latter laws that people like threegoofs and you apparently support



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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its interesting that the anti gun nonsense has shifted from coming from "liberals" "progressives" and "socialists" to new "slightly conservatives" who appear to be Ben and Jerry Seminar posters.

    the fact is-laws that punish criminal misuse or reckless discharge of weapons are proper and sound state actions. laws that exist only to harass honest gun owners or have the effect of mainly harassing honest gun owners are idiotic. It is the latter laws that people like threegoofs and you apparently support
    Do you think that students should be allowed to have guns on my college campus?

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ethanUNC View Post
    Do you think that students should be allowed to have guns on my college campus?
    sure, if they are 21, and are duly licensed. or if they are varsity shooters who have target weapons. I was an All American at Yale and since I had a single room, the Campus cops had no problem with me sometimes having my Perazzi Mirage in my room

    normally it was at the police station but I would get it-walk through campus to the team room where we'd catch a bus to the range. On days that we had two day tournaments I'd usually take it to my room for cleaning. I was a celebrity among the cops since I was a world class shooter. I never threatened anyone with a gun. at all times I was over 18 (the legal age to buy a shotgun in CT at the time)

    my father was at yale right after the war and was a naval reserve officer. he often had "shore patrol" after classes and on those days he was in uniform with his sidearm. He never shot anyone either. and there were more than a few men (1947-48) who were in the same situation he was.



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    Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69]

    Quote Originally Posted by ethanUNC View Post
    Maybe if you think like a simpleton. Who can tell me what is wrong with this logic:

    1. (a) There is violence in Chicago
    1. (b) Chicago has gun laws
    2. Therefore, gun laws cause violence.
    the flaw is in your response. A correct response would be "Chicago has VERY RESTRICTIVE gun laws, Chicago has a very high violent crime and murder rate, Chicago's very restrictive gun laws have done nothing to prevent violent crime". Maybe instead of the simple minded 'ban guns' rhetoric (because that has worked so well with drugs) you have to actually focus on the problems. Maybe the problem is not guns (as the vast majority of law abiding gun owners demonstrate) but rather the violent criminals. Maybe you have to go after them...not the guns in the hands of law abiding citizens. Maybe the answer is enforcement of existing laws and extreme penalties for those that sell and use guns illegally.

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