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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The problem is there is no compendium of police shootings that is available to the public. I've tried to find one.


    But here's the thing: consider how often you hear about police shooting the wrong guy, a bystander, etc. Quite a lot right?

    If a CCW'er shot the wrong person it would be national news for the next 6 months. Heard of one?


    Nope
    I still can't find any NRA members who have murdered in the first degree.

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Someone mentioned this earlier but couldn't provide a real source for it. Do you have one?
    you are ignoring the cites I gave you. The 2% vs 11%

    When someone pretends not to have seen the evidence, I can only assume dishonesty or the fact that your position is faith based and facts won't convince a true believer



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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The problem is there is no compendium of police shootings that is available to the public. I've tried to find one.


    But here's the thing: consider how often you hear about police shooting the wrong guy, a bystander, etc. Quite a lot right?

    If a CCW'er shot the wrong person it would be national news for the next 6 months. Heard of one?


    Nope
    in the last week there have been news stories of the often erroneous NYPD shooting two innocent women and I believe cops in NC shooting some innocent 8 times or so

    the closest thing we got to this involving a CCW was the overblown racial muckracking case of Zimmerman and Travon Mopin



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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The problem is there is no compendium of police shootings that is available to the public. I've tried to find one.
    So there are actually no figures supporting this?


    But here's the thing: consider how often you hear about police shooting the wrong guy, a bystander, etc. Quite a lot right?
    Yeah, but the police are going to be involved in many more incidents of that nature, because it's their job. It's like saying more fire fighters die in house fires than the general public. Well yeah, because fire fighters spend more time engaging house fires

    If a CCW'er shot the wrong person it would be national news for the next 6 months. Heard of one?
    Logical Fallacy: Appeal to Ignorance

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    So there are actually no figures supporting this?




    Yeah, but the police are going to be involved in many more incidents of that nature, because it's their job. It's like saying more fire fighters die in house fires than the general public. Well yeah, because fire fighters spend more time engaging house fires



    Logical Fallacy: Appeal to Ignorance



    Oh I see. I assumed you were asking a sincere question, rather than just looking for a way to shoot down opposing views. Silly me.

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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Why are you looking to others for answers? Do your part, I do mine. Lead by example, it can be contagious...
    Yeah lol! I need to hear from the Navy guy about leading by example.
    I'm not looking for answers bud. I'm telling you there's not one. There's my part.
    I will take care of MY family, live away from the urban sprawls of our country, and arm myself in the event the urban sprawls worst citizens decide to spread their crime to my neck of the woods. That, my squid friend, is what should be done. But, it won't. Why? Because our society is so money hungry/centric that they will sacrifice their safety and liberty to live in these places.
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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are ignoring the cites I gave you. The 2% vs 11%
    No, I actually directly addressed them when they were originally posted

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1062323991

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1062324276

    and they're the type of citations that wouldn't even make it past a sixth grade english teacher: they are advocacy material offering quotations, not the actual data in question

    When someone pretends not to have seen the evidence, I can only assume dishonesty or the fact that your position is faith based and facts won't convince a true believer
    Or you don't know what actually constitutes "credible evidence" in a debate ...

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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No doubt there would be some errors, but what is the alternative? Simply ignore mental illness?
    You know, I'm big enough to admit when I don't know something just as you were with your post. And this is one of those instances. I don't know. The only thing I can say is refer to my signature line and read the words of the great Thomas Jefferson. I think that may be all we can do. And that sucks.
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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Yeah lol! I need to hear from the Navy guy about leading by example.
    I'm not looking for answers bud. I'm telling you there's not one. There's my part.
    I will take care of MY family, live away from the urban sprawls of our country, and arm myself in the event the urban sprawls worst citizens decide to spread their crime to my neck of the woods. That, my squid friend, is what should be done. But, it won't. Why? Because our society is so money hungry/centric that they will sacrifice their safety and liberty to live in these places.
    Well, Marine's never were known for their deep thinking...

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Oh I see. I assumed you were asking a sincere question, rather than just looking for a way to shoot down opposing views. Silly me.
    I did ask a sincere question, but your opposing view isn't sacred, nor is it above criticism.

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