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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It's now "you guys" vs. "libbos" on gun control.

    Gun control is not the answer to this sort of thing, and I think we know that, but, have at it. How should we score the contest?
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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I didn't say that you were a bad person, or that it was unreasonable to think that the shooter might be a Muslim extremist.

    Only that terrorism was one of the possibilities being discussed.
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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    I didn't say knives are more deadly than guns. They can be as deadly. Saddam electrocuted thousands of Iranian soldiers - no fire arms required. We're probably on the same page here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    hey, man I own guns myself and have absolutely no problem with them. I'm just addressing some hilariously bad arguments here (like knives are more deadly than guns).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I got that. But that doesn't fix the problem. That's the point. There is nothing we can do to fix it. Sure, we can blame individuals. But that means something has already happened. That means the individual has already committed the atrocity.
    I bet you at least one of those victims believed he had a right to conceal carry. Could have saved them all. But alas, we have a simpleton for a Big Brother...

    For every mass shooting that goes on in this country I can give you 1000 examples of a law abiding citizen legally armed saving himself or the people around him from harm. You want to blame someone before an atrocity is committed? I can do you one better, I can tell you who is to blame before, during , and after all atrocities of this nature and those less severe. Who? The politician. The politician who thinks by disarming Americans, by putting up surveillance, by allowing the police to have greater and greater liberty in their authority, that somehow, this will make us safe, but it won't. It is an illusion of safety. They'll keep crafting these nonsensical laws, weaving their tapestry, soothing our frazzled minds, and then tell you to vote for them, they'll save you, they'll make the bad men go away, all you have to do is give them the power to do it.

    I'm sorry, but I'll have none of it.

    This is the world we live in. People die. Some die in their beds with loving family around them after living 80-90 years. Some die by violence. Their lives cut short. Death. The single experience no matter who you are or where you are that will be shared by all at some point. No politician, no law, no restriction is going to stop that. It is the fear of death, of the inevitable that these politicians feed off of and try to convince an ever fearful population that they can somehow prevent it. They can't.

    If we want to look at root causes, let's look at the culture around us. First and foremost as Americans, what are we taught and what do all of us whether we like to admit it or not, what do we pride ourselves on? Our military might. What do we give ourselves the title of? A Super power. Super powered what? What makes us a super power? The unique ability to bring death and destruction of any scale, large or small to anyone's doorstep in the world. What a grand accomplishment.

    What do we give our children for entertainment? Books? A microscope? A telescope? Or video games that give you a first person POV and allow you to kill, rob, rape, maim, and destroy with reckless abandon?

    How do allot of us look at ourselves? As living, breathing, unique and valuable? Or are we all just the fortunate, or some might think unfortunate ones to have not been vacuumed out our mother's uterus?

    The last thing we need to be pointing the blame at is the instrument which can take a life. What we need is to look at ourselves and find the reason anyone would senselessly want to.

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    No question. If we had vending machines with AR-15 all over the street so you could just get one at will, I'm sure it would have no impact upon sales.

    Thats why we have morphine and cocaine sold over the counter - those silly controlled substance laws dont work at all.
    Another retarded post. Is this the best you guys can come up with? Jeez, pathetic.

    You do realize that it's easy to get those drugs from the streets? That's the point which you completely missed, but I'm not surprised given the content of this post. Don't you feel stupid posting such dumb things? If not, you really should.

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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I bet you at least one of those victims believed he had a right to conceal carry. Could have saved them all. But alas, we have a simpleton for a Big Brother...

    For every mass shooting that goes on in this country I can give you 1000 examples of a law abiding citizen legally armed saving himself or the people around him from harm. You want to blame someone before an atrocity is committed? I can do you one better, I can tell you who is to blame before, during , and after all atrocities of this nature and those less severe. Who? The politician. The politician who thinks by disarming Americans, by putting up surveillance, by allowing the police to have greater and greater liberty in their authority, that somehow, this will make us safe, but it won't. It is an illusion of safety. They'll keep crafting these nonsensical laws, weaving their tapestry, soothing our frazzled minds, and then tell you to vote for them, they'll save you, they'll make the bad men go away, all you have to do is give them the power to do it.

    I'm sorry, but I'll have none of it.

    This is the world we live in. People die. Some die in their beds with loving family around them after living 80-90 years. Some die by violence. Their lives cut short. Death. The single experience no matter who you are or where you are that will be shared by all at some point. No politician, no law, no restriction is going to stop that. It is the fear of death, of the inevitable that these politicians feed off of and try to convince an ever fearful population that they can somehow prevent it. They can't.

    If we want to look at root causes, let's look at the culture around us. First and foremost as Americans, what are we taught and what do all of us whether we like to admit it or not, what do we pride ourselves on? Our military might. What do we give ourselves the title of? A Super power. Super powered what? What makes us a super power? The unique ability to bring death and destruction of any scale, large or small to anyone's doorstep in the world. What a grand accomplishment.

    What do we give our children for entertainment? Books? A microscope? A telescope? Or video games that give you a first person POV and allow you to kill, rob, rape, maim, and destroy with reckless abandon?

    How do allot of us look at ourselves? As living, breathing, unique and valuable? Or are we all just the fortunate, or some might think unfortunate ones to have not been vacuumed out our mother's uterus?

    The last thing we need to be pointing the blame at is the instrument which can take a life. What we need is to look at ourselves and find the reason anyone would senselessly want to.
    So, like I said, there's nothing we can do to fix the problem. <----I just summarized your whole post in one sentence.
    -You're not going to stop idiot parents from buying FPS video games.
    -Politicians will NEVER stop feeding on death.
    -Gun laws will NEVER become less stringent in every state.
    -More than 40% of this country WILL NEVER stop blaming the gun instead of the person or our culture.
    So, like I said, what can we do? Nothing is the answer.
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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    So, like I said, there's nothing we can do to fix the problem. <----I just summarized your whole post in one sentence.
    -You're not going to stop idiot parents from buying FPS video games.
    -Politicians will NEVER stop feeding on death.
    -Gun laws will NEVER become less stringent in every state.
    -More than 40% of this country WILL NEVER stop blaming the gun instead of the person or our culture.
    So, like I said, what can we do? Nothing is the answer.
    How about identifying paranoid people who listen to the voices in their heads and see to it that they are supervised so that they don't get a gun and go off shooting people? Wouldn't that be doing something about the problem?

    Or is mental health a taboo issue and too expensive to just provide willy nilly to people who are nutcases and can't pay for it?
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    [QUOTE=MarineTpartier;1062327298]So, like I said, there's nothing we can do to fix the problem. QUOTE]

    I think there is, go back when it wasn't broken. Bring back the Marine barracks on every naval installation.

    Bring back when it was the military who guarded the gates, provided perimeter security and patrolled the interior, not military civilian police.

    For over two hundred years the Army, Navy and Marines were able to police themselves and provided their own security without civilians.

    Sure has been a big increase of gun violence on gun free military installations over the past 4 1/2 years. Why is that ?

    Liberal gun free zones on military installations has been just another liberal social engineering experimentation failure as gun free zones in the hood.

    Might help if the Marines at 8th & I were able to keep the bolts in their rifles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Another retarded post. Is this the best you guys can come up with? Jeez, pathetic.

    You do realize that it's easy to get those drugs from the streets? That's the point which you completely missed, but I'm not surprised given the content of this post. Don't you feel stupid posting such dumb things? If not, you really should.
    So your position is that controlled substance laws do nothing to restrict the availability of drugs?

    And you're cool with having AR-15 vending machines (with no security cameras nearby, natch...wouldn't want to infringe on FREEDOM!)
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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    So your position is that controlled substance laws do nothing to restrict the availability of drugs?

    And you're cool with having AR-15 vending machines (with no security cameras nearby, natch...wouldn't want to infringe on FREEDOM!)
    Why does everyone pick on the poor little AR-15?
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