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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Yes, the fact that we have a strong central govt




    Are you really suggesting the economics around guns is similar to drugs?




    yes, because guns are different than drugs. In fact, pot is much easier to get than a gun in japan
    We have a strong central government NOW and both guns AND drugs are easily obtained. And hell yes I compare the two. Incidents of mass shootings in this country are by comparison to legal gun ownership BEYOND extraordinarily rare. However the VAST MAJORITY of crimes, shootings, murders in this country are committed by gangs and violent felons and revolve around the drug trade. You know...that drug trade that is banned by that strong central government.

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Then you would lose...

    "The number cited for rifles was somewhat less precise. While it’s true that the FBI counted 323 murders by rifles, the agency also counted 1,587 murders by an undetermined type of firearm and 97 by "other guns." If gun usage in these two categories followed the same pattern as other gun homicides, that would add another 75 or so murders by rifle, making an estimate for the number of rifle murders about 400, rather than 323.

    Still, the larger point holds: Murders by knives, blunt objects and body parts each individually outweighed those committed using a rifle."

    PolitiFact | Facebook post says more people were murdered with knives, body parts or blunt objects than with rifles
    How does that address my point? This is what keeps making me laugh, you guy keep attempting to address arguments I never made. Example: how would that statistic prove knives were more deadly than guns? and if knives are so much more deadly, then why do militaries arm their soldiers with a gun as a primary weapon, as opposed to blades?

    secondly, you ignored this part: "We should note that while the Facebook post’s comparison is accurate as far as it goes, it does ignore the single biggest category of weapons used in murders -- handguns. Handguns were used in 6,220 cases, or 72 percent of all firearm murders in 2011 and slightly under half of all murders using any kind of weapon that year."

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I can usually score a sack of weed in most cities in under a half hour if i put my mind to it, but never seen any signs that guns were similarly accessible. The same is true with most countries Ive been to over seas.

    So I would disagree with the claim that buying a black market gun is easy
    You were talking to drug dealers...not gun runners. Pick up anrwspaper and you'll see plenty of guns for sale.
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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    I have a question, Did Aaron Alexis break the law Yesterday?
    Since he did, why does anyone think he would care about any of the other laws
    he may have broken.

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    We have a strong central government NOW and both guns AND drugs are easily obtained.
    They are? It's certainly not impossible to get an il;legal gun, but I'm not sure it's easy, either.

    And hell yes I compare the two.
    Well, it makes no sense because they act fundamentally differently in trade and use


    Incidents of mass shootings in this country are by comparison to legal gun ownership BEYOND extraordinarily rare.
    that doesn't address anything I wrote

    However the VAST MAJORITY of crimes, shootings, murders in this country are committed by gangs and violent felons and revolve around the drug trade. You know...that drug trade that is banned by that strong central government.
    Yeah, we just covered how the drug and gun trade are different.

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You were talking to drug dealers...not gun runners. Pick up anrwspaper and you'll see plenty of guns for sale.
    So people sell illegal guns in newspapers?

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Was the shooter a Congressman?

    I hadn't Heard that.
    No, but when you ask how a felon can get a clearance, I'm telling you it's not that hard. It all depends on who you are, what you may be looking at, and the security level of the facility. A person working for a contractor in a lower security facility does not get the same level of scrutiny in many cases as most would assume. You would be surprised at how few honest Americans would pass a rigorous security review.

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    How does that address my point? This is what keeps making me laugh, you guy keep attempting to address arguments I never made. Example: how would that statistic prove knives were more deadly than guns? and if knives are so much more deadly, then why do militaries arm their soldiers with a gun as a primary weapon, as opposed to blades?
    Actually, the military arms their soldiers with both....Ever heard of a bayonet?

    secondly, you ignored this part: "We should note that while the Facebook post’s comparison is accurate as far as it goes, it does ignore the single biggest category of weapons used in murders -- handguns. Handguns were used in 6,220 cases, or 72 percent of all firearm murders in 2011 and slightly under half of all murders using any kind of weapon that year."
    uh huh...And you ignore this part...

    "Our ruling

    The post uses data selectively, ignoring the significant role of handguns in gun violence. But the statistics it mentions are solid. FBI data backs up the Facebook post’s claim that in 2011, more people were murdered with knives, "hands or feet" or "clubs and hammers" than with any type of rifle. We rate the statement True."

    mmmmmk?
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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I would too, depending on the knife. Truthfully, I'd rather not have to deal with either of them, or any of the other means by which a person might attempt to inflict harm. Of course, if I were to happen to have a gun myself, and I do, I would not feel quite so threatened.
    hey, man I own guns myself and have absolutely no problem with them. I'm just addressing some hilariously bad arguments here (like knives are more deadly than guns).

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    They are? It's certainly not impossible to get an il;legal gun, but I'm not sure it's easy, either.



    Well, it makes no sense because they act fundamentally differently in trade and use




    that doesn't address anything I wrote



    Yeah, we just covered how the drug and gun trade are different.
    No...you completely ignored that in fact the gun and drug trade are very definitely intertwined (ever hear of the BATF) because it doesnt fit our silly arguments...arguments that get more and more foolish with each post.

    https://www.google.com/#q=gangs+drugs+guns

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