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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    mexico's gun problems seem more a byproduct of a weak govt and state. For example, Japan has some of the strictest gun laws in the world and hardly no gun crime. But they have a very strong state and functional govt
    They also don't have a border with another country supplying some of the guns.

    I keep hearing Mexico government is weak but they are doing what they can to stop this.
    New rules were just instituted for money laundering.

    If you move $2000.00 dollars or more or the equilivant in pesos through your account you will be investigated.

    We are talking about money already in the bank.

    Mexico is trying but it is like dealing with a local versión of terrorists on your own land.

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    who said it was? I was responding to the comment about strict gun control inevitably leading to a scenario akin to what mexico is experiences. Secondly, I think the control issue here would go more along the lines of a japan than a mexico, for obvious reasons.



    I would rather deal with a guy wielding a knife than a gun, in most scenarios.
    Do you base that on ANYTHING other than your fairy tale desire for it to be so? We have bans on drugs, extremely high sentences, three strikes laws...and yet...we still have HUGE problems with both illegal drugs AND illegal possession and use of guns. But...passing a ban on GUNS...THAT would be different. Somehow. Sure...sure...thats the ticket.

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    No, removing someone's ability to acquire a gun legally would clearly limit their ability to buy guns.
    You obviously don't understand how easy it is to buy a gun on the street.
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    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Nope, you're right. And all of them, whether D or R, would not be denied access to such a facility. So when the question is asked about how a felon would get access, the easy answer is that in some cases we elect them. For that matter, former Senator Jim Webb was caught carrying a revolver into the Senate - I was busted on that once in that his aide was the one actually carrying it for him - soooo, Bwana has a gun bearer.....
    Was the shooter a Congressman?

    I hadn't Heard that.

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Addressing your comments is a 'kneejerk' reaction.
    No, you going on some nonsensical tirade that doesn't even address what i wrote is a knee jerk reaction. if you actually addressed my comments then such wouldn't be a problem

    I get it. Your kind of foolishness only stands on its own if it is COMPLETELY unchallenged.
    No, you certainly don't seem to be "getting" anything at this point

    I certianly understand why you want it to remain that way.
    ok?

    My points very directly addressed your Japanese connection or more importantly...the COMPLETE lack of valid connection
    No, they really didn't. My point was that a country can initiate successful gun control measure, in response to people suggesting they could not. Clearly the situation in Japan proves this to be true.

    It DID however COMPLETELY point to the FACT...gangs...violent criminals..even on Japan where gun ownership carries massive fines and gun use can carry a life sentence...GANGS manage to get and use guns.
    right, but apparently in very limited numbers. So being that no one suggested such levels of control will prevent any and all gun crime, I am a little lost on what you are trying to address ...

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You obviously don't understand how easy it is to buy a gun on the street.
    I can usually score a sack of weed in most cities in under a half hour if i put my mind to it, but never seen any signs that guns were similarly accessible. The same is true with most countries Ive been to over seas.

    So I would disagree with the claim that buying a black market gun is easy

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I would rather deal with a guy wielding a knife than a gun, in most scenarios.
    Then you would lose...

    "The number cited for rifles was somewhat less precise. While it’s true that the FBI counted 323 murders by rifles, the agency also counted 1,587 murders by an undetermined type of firearm and 97 by "other guns." If gun usage in these two categories followed the same pattern as other gun homicides, that would add another 75 or so murders by rifle, making an estimate for the number of rifle murders about 400, rather than 323.

    Still, the larger point holds: Murders by knives, blunt objects and body parts each individually outweighed those committed using a rifle."

    PolitiFact | Facebook post says more people were murdered with knives, body parts or blunt objects than with rifles
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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Do you base that on ANYTHING other than your fairy tale desire for it to be so?
    Yes, the fact that we have a strong central govt


    We have bans on drugs, extremely high sentences, three strikes laws...and yet...we still have HUGE problems with both illegal drugs AND illegal possession and use of guns.
    Are you really suggesting the economics around guns is similar to drugs?


    But...passing a ban on GUNS...THAT would be different.
    yes, because guns are different than drugs. In fact, pot is much easier to get than a gun in japan

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    No, you going on some nonsensical tirade that doesn't even address what i wrote is a knee jerk reaction. if you actually addressed my comments then such wouldn't be a problem



    No, you certainly don't seem to be "getting" anything at this point



    ok?



    No, they really didn't. My point was that a country can initiate successful gun control measure, in response to people suggesting they could not. Clearly the situation in Japan proves this to be true.



    right, but apparently in very limited numbers. So being that no one suggested such levels of control will prevent any and all gun crime, I am a little lost on what you are trying to address ...
    Very directly addressing your comparison of the US and Japan is to you a nonsensical tirade? Well...considering the stupidity of your argument...I can certainly see why you take that position.

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    who said it was? I was responding to the comment about strict gun control inevitably leading to a scenario akin to what mexico is experiences. Secondly, I think the control issue here would go more along the lines of a japan than a mexico, for obvious reasons.
    The point was that what works in other places is not necessarily applicable here. We have vast open spaces here.



    I would rather deal with a guy wielding a knife than a gun, in most scenarios.
    I would too, depending on the knife. Truthfully, I'd rather not have to deal with either of them, or any of the other means by which a person might attempt to inflict harm. Of course, if I were to happen to have a gun myself, and I do, I would not feel quite so threatened. And, by golly, I don't. A friend of mine once gave me this particularly large and menacing machete, and I'd be willing to bet I could kill as many with it as that nut did with fire arms. No kidding. It'd be absolutely gruesome and the entire country would react with justifiable horror.

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