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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I see the conversation has morphed from "this guy must have been a Muslim terrorist
    Actually no one suggested anything close to that ....

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    actually no my reasoning does not lead to that. My reasoning is that limiting options one can use to buy guns limits their gun purchasing ability. Secondly, the reason the cartels set up shop in mexico was due to the fact that it's a weak and dysfunctional state. The US, for all it's problems, does not face anything near to what mexico does in this arena, and there is little to suggest similar restrictions would have such effects here (though I don't support such restrictions, anyway)
    Yes, it limits the ability to purchase them for those who want to do this while abiding the law. Criminals face no such problem.

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Agreed. Particularly this individual, who was apparently getting psychiatric treatment from the VA for, among other things, the voices in his head.
    Yet he was able to obtain multiple firearms a week before the shooting.

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    Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    First we need to stop blaming the inanimate objects and blame the individuals.
    I got that. But that doesn't fix the problem. That's the point. There is nothing we can do to fix it. Sure, we can blame individuals. But that means something has already happened. That means the individual has already committed the atrocity.
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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    Yes, it limits the ability to purchase them for those who want to do this while abiding the law.

    No, pointing out that limiting someone's legal ability to purchase a gun, limits someone's ability to purchase a gun, suggests nothing about who should face such limitations.

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

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    Is it just me, or is there a lot more (D)'s than (R)'s in there?
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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    mexico's gun problems seem more a byproduct of a weak govt and state. For example, Japan has some of the strictest gun laws in the world and hardly no gun crime. But they have a very strong state and functional govt
    lets see how silly the Japan/US comparison is.
    1-Japan is a small Island relatively easily controlled
    2-Japan had an enormous population reset button courtesy of WW2
    3-Japan does not have to share two expansive land borders where illegal items can be smuggled
    and finally...and most importantly...
    4-Japans gangs do exactly what US gangs do. They manage to get illegal drugs and guns.
    “Japan is basically a place where only yakuza and cops have guns,” Detective X stated. “We fire our guns less, so most of the shootings in Japan are yakuza versus yakuza — and as long as the yakuza are killing each other, the general public and the police didn’t seem to mind. But not anymore. There have been too many stray bullets.”

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Yet he was able to obtain multiple firearms a week before the shooting.

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    Source please.
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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Raise your hand if when you heard the news the first thing you thought was Muslim. Not saying it is, but that was my first thought.
    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    A fine example of the success the right wing media has had in forming prejudices in American minds. It may well be Islamic radicals but the mere fact that it was your first thought is just one more instance of irrational hatred.

    Anyone remember when their first thought upon hearing of such an instance would have concerned a worker "going postal"?
    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    I would have thought going postal if the shooting was at a post office. It's in a Navy yard. I hope Gibbs wasn't shot.

    Don't blame the right wing media or any media. Blame the shooter on an Army base who yelled about Allah as he shot soldiers. Are you saying that they didn't report that shooting on the Daily Worker? If they didn't, you should drop your subscription.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I'm not sure what the issue is with thinking it was an islamic radical. They are a movement that we are at war with on a number of fronts and they tend to employ such tactics.
    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I have just as much disdain for hate mongering media as you do, but it was the first thing which popped into my mind as well. This is a place with ties to the government, and the shooting is coming on the heels of a message from the Al-Qaeda promoting "lone wolf" attacks on US soil.

    It's not an unreasonable conclusion to jump to.
    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    you beat me to it. Just read through the thread.

    My thoughts, ranged from disgruntal employee(s), to lone wolf extremists. Time will tell who the shooter(s) are.

    or for the conspiracy minded folks, maybe its a false flag operation by the govt to continue to control the public opinion on the war with terrorists for big oil and take our gun rights away.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Actually no one suggested anything close to that ....
    Really? Not even a little bit close to that?
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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    lets see how silly the Japan/US comparison is.
    1-Japan is a small Island relatively easily controlled
    2-Japan had an enormous population reset button courtesy of WW2
    3-Japan does not have to share two expansive land borders where illegal items can be smuggled
    and finally...and most importantly...
    4-Japans gangs do exactly what US gangs do. They manage to get illegal drugs and guns.
    “Japan is basically a place where only yakuza and cops have guns,” Detective X stated. “We fire our guns less, so most of the shootings in Japan are yakuza versus yakuza — and as long as the yakuza are killing each other, the general public and the police didn’t seem to mind. But not anymore. There have been too many stray bullets.”
    1) I find it amazing I'm continuously contending with knee jerk reactions from gun advocates

    2) Most of your points do little to address mine (might as well add a bullet point for tea in china)

    3)The level of gun crime in japan is ridiculously low. So I find it odd that you're asserting there is some gun crime issue there (there were 11 gun related homicides in 2008)

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