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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    You can seriously doubt truthful information that challenges your view of the world all you want to.
    Well if it were so truthful, why didn't you back it up with more than snark? It makes it much more easy to believe you if you do.

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA
    I have been on both sides of this fence, and my comments are dead on.
    And you still didn't address my last sentence. How does introducing more guns into a scenario where nobody knows who the bad guy is but several people have drawn guns help?
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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    But we are not talking about you, we are talking about CCW permit holders as a whole. You represent one person
    I shoot with our local Sheriff and his department annually.

    No one has yet beaten me.
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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    No, I am pointing out that it is clearly more difficult and requires more arms training, becoming a cop, than it does getting a CCW in my area.




    No, it clearly is and I have clearly outlined why. But again, feel free to actually point out any flaws in my argument s and reasoning. I more than welcome them
    well your claim has no relevance because it does not explain why cops are more likely to shoot innocent people and miss bad guys than those who have the "easier route" of carrying

    I know the reason since I am a professional in this field. I want you to take a stab at it



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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    I shoot with our local Sheriff and his department annually.

    No one has yet beaten me.
    I don't doubt it when I represented the Sheriff's department as an associate at a big law firm, the Sheriff asked me if I would want to be "deputized" so I could shoot for his department in the state LEO events. I was going to another position so I had to decline but I was pretty much the top dog in the area other than an ATF guy who was about the best there ever was



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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Well if it were so truthful, why didn't you back it up with more than snark? It makes it much more easy to believe you if you do.



    And you still didn't address my last sentence. How does introducing more guns into a scenario where nobody knows who the bad guy is but several people have drawn guns help?
    You fail to understand that folks like me who carry are not cops and don't want to be cops.

    My first instinct is to leave a potentially violent situation, not to engage it.

    Unless my wife or kids are involved, I have no business getting involved myself.

    We all carry to protect ourselves and our families, not anyone or everyone else.

    I have been both a cop and now a CCW holder.

    I received minimal firearms training as a cop.

    I have trained much more as a private citizen who carries.

    I probably know well over 200 people who carry daily.

    Most of us shoot in some type of competition, usually IDPA.
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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't doubt it when I represented the Sheriff's department as an associate at a big law firm, the Sheriff asked me if I would want to be "deputized" so I could shoot for his department in the state LEO events. I was going to another position so I had to decline but I was pretty much the top dog in the area other than an ATF guy who was about the best there ever was
    Years ago, getting a commission as a special deputy was very easy.

    These days is is virtually impossible.

    'Course, if the Sheriff really wants to win.......
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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    I shoot with our local Sheriff and his department annually.

    No one has yet beaten me.
    Yes, but the comparison wasn't between you and the average cop, it was between the average CCW holder and cops.

    Do you understand how averages work?

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    You fail to understand that folks like me who carry are not cops and don't want to be cops.

    My first instinct is to leave a potentially violent situation, not to engage it.

    Unless my wife or kids are involved, I have no business getting involved myself.

    We all carry to protect ourselves and our families, not anyone or everyone else.

    I have been both a cop and now a CCW holder.

    I received minimal firearms training as a cop.

    I have trained much more as a private citizen who carries.

    I probably know well over 200 people who carry daily.

    Most of us shoot in some type of competition, usually IDPA.
    lets see, I was a pin GM, a USPSA Class A when that was the top division, and now I am shooting several steel events a month where I generally place in the top 3 of the most competitive division (Production or stock). I also compete in Clays (one of the top in the area) and I shot on the International shotgun circuit for years. I also do GSSF leagues of at least 9 shoots a year. Shooting USPSA, IDPA or Steel puts you under extreme time pressure which is the best training for shooting under pressure. Very few cops do that



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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well your claim has no relevance because it does not explain why cops are more likely to shoot innocent people and miss bad guys than those who have the "easier route" of carrying
    This was already an issue I addressed and you still have not presented the actual data

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1062323734

    I know the reason since I am a professional in this field. I want you to take a stab at it
    then present the actual data, as opposed to simply asserting some expertise in the area. Because the later is just a waste of time and make it look like you are simply full of empty bluster

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    re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Yes, but the comparison wasn't between you and the average cop, it was between the average CCW holder and cops.

    Do you understand how averages work?
    From the several hundred CCW people I know, I am far from the best.

    They all are quite diligent, and very good in different scenarios.

    I would rather have the average CCW holder protect me than the average cop.

    Do you understand how common sense works?
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