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Maryland counties join movement to secede from largely Democrat-run state[W:59]

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What happened, did they get a huge rainstorm come through and the taxes went up?
 
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We have 100 Senators and 435 Representatives. As righties would say, get over and used to it. My solution to petition out and change states to West Virginia remains on the table.

We dont have to get used to it. Individuals have a right to consent to be goverend. You cant force them.
 
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Dont be a jerk.

Again you think you are a Mod.... :roll:

You stuck YOUR nose into something that isn't me 'picking' on anyone like you think your opinion matters....

Don't be a Nosy Nancy-

Now back the thread YOU entered to do nothing more than play wannabee Mod... :doh
 
Re: Maryland counties join movement to secede from largely Democrat-run state

**sidenote:

Top Cat was Captain America's favorite cartoon character. .

It was also mine. And it truly is my nickname. (Initials TC)
 
Re: Maryland counties join movement to secede from largely Democrat-run state

Just break New York City up into five different "states." Bam. 10 more Democrat Senators!
 
Re: Maryland counties join movement to secede from largely Democrat-run state

Again you think you are a Mod.... :roll:

You stuck YOUR nose into something that isn't me 'picking' on anyone like you think your opinion matters....

Don't be a Nosy Nancy-

Now back the thread YOU entered to do nothing more than play wannabee Mod... :doh

The rules are the rules, whether Im a mod or not.
 
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The rules are the rules, whether Im a mod or not.

LMAO, did you run and tattle on me? Have I been thread banned or penalized?

Thinking you are incorrect on what the rules are and what I did....

Thinking ya ought to let those charged with maintaining the rules do their job and you try and discuss the issues rather than other member's actions.... :2wave:
 
Re: Maryland counties join movement to secede from largely Democrat-run state

The rules are the rules, whether Im a mod or not.

LMAO, did you run and tattle on me? Have I been thread banned or penalized?

Thinking you are incorrect on what the rules are and what I did....

Thinking ya ought to let those charged with maintaining the rules do their job and you try and discuss the issues rather than other member's actions.... :2wave:

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Yes ma'am, kicking rock....HEEEEE started it! ;)
 
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Understand. However, if you think Gerry-mandering is bad in Maryland, look at Texas, Pennsylvania, North Carolina. This is why Texas was on the watch list since 1990. And now the SCOTUS is involved. Voting rights is the issue of this Century so far.

Actually, that's not my opinion. That's a former Justice's opinion. PA isn't bad and I grew up in PA and know it's politics well. PA has 3 major democratic centers, Philly, Pittsburgh, and Scranton area. Rest of the State is HEAVILY Republican. It's why Democrats can win PA in Presidential years but never win off year elections.

Maryland is worse then NC. Maryland took heavily Republican areas and turned them Democratic. You can google Daily Kos and others and find how that's not enough for them. Rather they want an 8-0 stance.
 
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If you think Maryland is worse than North Carolina and Pennsylvania, especially with them being larger and their National effect, there's little more to talk about here. You didn't argue Texas or that Dems out-polled Repubs in the House. That's Gerry-mandering. 81% in PHL, PA vs 55% in Repub PA
Actually, that's not my opinion. That's a former Justice's opinion. PA isn't bad and I grew up in PA and know it's politics well. PA has 3 major democratic centers, Philly, Pittsburgh, and Scranton area. Rest of the State is HEAVILY Republican. It's why Democrats can win PA in Presidential years but never win off year elections.

Maryland is worse then NC. Maryland took heavily Republican areas and turned them Democratic. You can google Daily Kos and others and find how that's not enough for them. Rather they want an 8-0 stance.
 
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Actually, that's not my opinion. That's a former Justice's opinion. PA isn't bad and I grew up in PA and know it's politics well. PA has 3 major democratic centers, Philly, Pittsburgh, and Scranton area. Rest of the State is HEAVILY Republican. It's why Democrats can win PA in Presidential years but never win off year elections.

Maryland is worse then NC. Maryland took heavily Republican areas and turned them Democratic. You can google Daily Kos and others and find how that's not enough for them. Rather they want an 8-0 stance.

I don't see the point in arguing which are worse, when both are very heavily gerrymandered. Maryland is probably a little more, but what was done to some of the NC districts was pretty bad as well.
 
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If you think Maryland is worse than North Carolina and Pennsylvania, especially with them being larger and their National effect, there's little more to talk about here. You didn't argue Texas or that Dems out-polled Repubs in the House. That's Gerry-mandering. 81% in PHL, PA vs 55% in Repub PA

Gerrymandering is certainly a big factor, but Republicans do have a natural advantage built in the House, even when gerrymandering doesn't happen. Since compact districts are the goal, and Democratic areas tend to be clustered closer together in big cities, creating compact districts will tend to have a small bias toward the Republicans as long as the Democratic urban advantage is so much higher than the Republican rural advantage.
 
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There is a reason Texas has been on the watch list since 1990.
To be fair, we really ****ed the Repubs here in Illinois.
Unfortunately, TX has more than twice as many as we do.
California has a commission-type, as about 7 other states.
If we ever start working together, I see this as the future.
I don't see the point in arguing which are worse, when both are very heavily gerrymandered. Maryland is probably a little more, but what was done to some of the NC districts was pretty bad as well.
 
Re: Maryland counties join movement to secede from largely Democrat-run state

There is a reason Texas has been on the watch list since 1990.
To be fair, we really ****ed the Repubs here in Illinois.
Unfortunately, TX has more than twice as many as we do.
California has a commission-type, as about 7 other states.
If we ever start working together, I see this as the future.

I love the work of the commissions so far. California's districts are well done. Iowa's districts are four nice compact corners of the state. I wish every state would adopt them.
 
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And I would state that the Senate elections should take care of that.
I would also state that each congressional district should have the same census.
How about those "black C.D.s" that run for the whole length of a river in North Carolina?
And then there's their voting law, with little to do about IDs, which I support.
Gerrymandering is certainly a big factor, but Republicans do have a natural advantage built in the House, even when gerrymandering doesn't happen. Since compact districts are the goal, and Democratic areas tend to be clustered closer together in big cities, creating compact districts will tend to have a small bias toward the Republicans as long as the Democratic urban advantage is so much higher than the Republican rural advantage.
 
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And I would state that the Senate elections should take care of that.

How so?
I would also state that each congressional district should have the same census.

That's pretty much impossible and even if it were doing so would not be a good idea. Because of how powerful predictors demographics are if every district had the same demographics, the vast majority of congressional districts would elect the same party, even if the total vote was only something like 51-49.

How about those "black C.D.s" that run for the whole length of a river in North Carolina?

North Carolina had some of the most egregious gerrymandering of 2010.
 
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If you think Maryland is worse than North Carolina and Pennsylvania, especially with them being larger and their National effect, there's little more to talk about here. You didn't argue Texas or that Dems out-polled Repubs in the House. That's Gerry-mandering. 81% in PHL, PA vs 55% in Repub PA

I never said Maryland was worse the North Carolina. Rather they are worse then PA. Texas is bad in itself as well. Doesn't matter who out polled who in total votes. Rather who polled in what districts. Shifting the balance of districts to allow for uncontested reelection is gerry-mandering. That's what Maryland has done. Its what North Carolina and Texas has done.

And Philly encompasses 3 districts of the 18 districts of PA. Democrats can't hold outside of Philly, Pittsburgh and Harrisburg. So that's 5 districts Democrats can hold on a 2 years basis. Rest of the State is Republican by 10% or more in voting in Congressional elections. It's why PA is know as the Alabama of the North. Democrats can win in the cities but outside of them they do very poorly as shown by electing Governors. PA has to go back to the 1950s to find two Democrats holding the seat back to back. 12 Democrat Governors compared to 26 Republican Governors over it's history.
 
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You're comparing apples and oranges with % versus vote total.
Illinois can show you how to spread out the Blue vote better.
This is why you folks want to divide electoral votes by congressional district.
We know who you are.
Repubs are beasts of the Electoral college.
I never said Maryland was worse the North Carolina. Rather they are worse then PA. Texas is bad in itself as well. Doesn't matter who out polled who in total votes. Rather who polled in what districts. Shifting the balance of districts to allow for uncontested reelection is gerry-mandering. That's what Maryland has done. Its what North Carolina and Texas has done.

And Philly encompasses 3 districts of the 18 districts of PA. Democrats can't hold outside of Philly, Pittsburgh and Harrisburg. So that's 5 districts Democrats can hold on a 2 years basis. Rest of the State is Republican by 10% or more in voting in Congressional elections. It's why PA is know as the Alabama of the North. Democrats can win in the cities but outside of them they do very poorly as shown by electing Governors. PA has to go back to the 1950s to find two Democrats holding the seat back to back. 12 Democrat Governors compared to 26 Republican Governors over it's history.
 
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Not going to happen. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever.

Don't take my word for it, just wait and see.

What happened to the South in the U.S. Civil War?

Does anyone remember the South getting its ass kicked?

If not, read a little history, because it happened.
 
They have my permission to go to West Virginia.
Why wouldn't they since they think like them and all.
Not going to happen. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever.

Don't take my word for it, just wait and see.

What happened to the South in the U.S. Civil War?

Does anyone remember the South getting its ass kicked?

If not, read a little history, because it happened.
 
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I don't see the point in arguing which are worse, when both are very heavily gerrymandered. Maryland is probably a little more, but what was done to some of the NC districts was pretty bad as well.


I am not.. Just pointing out 2 districts in Maryland were Republican strongholds until 2011. 20 years of electing Republicans doesn't change over night.
 
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I am not.. Just pointing out 2 districts in Maryland were Republican strongholds until 2011. 20 years of electing Republicans doesn't change over night.

Well you did say that Maryland was worse than NC. They're both really bad and its hard to compare them. Maryland gerrymandered to take out Roscoe Bartlett and add some high profile donors to Sarbane's ridiculous district. North Carolina made some terrible gerrymanders, taking Ashville out of Shuler's district for no reason and making 9 safe Republican seats compared to 3 safe Democratic seats to go a long with Mcintyre's. Of course to be fair they were making up for a pretty bad Democratic gerrymander in 2000.
 
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