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Maryland counties join movement to secede from largely Democrat-run state[W:59]

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tererun said:
oh yes, because i normally trust neocon libertarian rags.
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That wasn't the best source, but it is true. Maryland has some of the most gerrymandered and least compact districts in the nation, even accounting for the oddly shaped Chesapeake Bay coastline.

Maryland has least compact congressional districts in nation – MarylandReporter.com

Of course this is generally the case for most states who don't have independent commissions to draw their districts and are heavily dominated by either party in the state legislature.
 
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NIMBY said:
Two-thirds of all gerry-mandered seats in the House belong to the GOP.
As we saw in 2012 when the total Democratic vote for 435 House members was higher than that of Republicans.
This is the way the senate was supposed to have run.
Repubs now have it both ways.
Thank goodness for the 17th amendment and PROGRESS---ive Republican POTUS T. Roosevelt
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NIMBY.. let me help you through this.. This is not a Federal issue rather a State issue. This is about Annapolis redrawing districts for extra state seats and 6th congressional district seat. The people of Western Maryland got shafted on political purpose. They went from a Republican district to "Democrat" because Annapolis decided to cut 1/3rd of their voting block and give it to another Republican district, then gave Western Maryland voters from the DC metro area (liberal). So instead of 2 Republican districts, you now have one. This is despite the fact that Western Maryland represents 40% of vote prior to the gerrymandering.
Gerry all the way.

And Annapolis windbags justify it as it's "fair".. well if 40% of your vote get 0% representation.. then that's a problem.
 
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NIMBY said:
But I'm referring to that portion in western Maryland.
It just doesn't look like it belongs.
If they want to go to west Virginia where the policies are more to their liking, so be it.
Just like Northeast Colorado going to Nebraska or Wyoming. Good riddance.
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Maryland's borders are based on the Potomac and ends at the Fairfax Stone, Mason-Dixon Line and Bay. Maryland should actually encompass 3 or 4 counties of current West Virginia that lay south of the Potomac in Western Maryland due to the South Branch of the Potomac but Supreme Court ruled against it in 1864.

West Virginia doesn't belong either. You had people in Western Virginia succeed from Virginia in 1863 over political views. So it's okay to create a new State that gave favor to the North in Constitutional voting after the Civil War but creating West Maryland is unthinkable?
 
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NIMBY said:
But I'm referring to that portion in western Maryland.
It just doesn't look like it belongs.
If they want to go to west Virginia where the policies are more to their liking, so be it.
Just like Northeast Colorado going to Nebraska or Wyoming. Good riddance.
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You dont live in Maryland. And people have a right to consent to be governed.

We hold these truths to be self evident...That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness
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Silly yankees only Texas can succeed


Well not really:lamo
 
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Navy Pride said:
This is really interesting.

Maryland counties join movement to secede from largely Democrat-run state | Fox News
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Not so interesting, these folks appear to be 152 years too late. ;)

The problem with calling this a "movement" is that formation of new states (or new state boundaries) is never going to happen peacefully and they lack the means to do so by force. Insanity is not all that interesting.
 
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Same thing is happening in Colorado. Northern counties are trying to get a referendum on the ballet. Still would take an act of Congress, which I doubt would ever happen....unless the polls supported it.

And if you want to see ridiculously gerrymandering, this is a fun read. Its a few years old, but still applies. And as usual, this is just another one of those problems that will only be fixed by a robot.

Zombie » The Top Ten Most Gerrymandered Congressional Districts in the United States
 
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Navy Pride said:
Yeah I do...........there are several states (Washington where I live being one) where 80% of the counties where the voters are moderate to conservative and the Seattle Tacoma corridor where a huge population is all Liberal....It actually equals thing out.
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Like many CONs you fail to understand how our system works. Square miles don't vote. People do. According to the 2012 vote the split is more like 60/40 not 80% on CONservative counties. Obama won reelection by 15% more of the vote. So not quite even anyway ya skin that cat. (FYI given all the RINO crap and 'not a true CONservative' dribble counting moderates along with CONs seems a bit of a reach.)
 
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notquiteright said:
Not my job, you want another link try this thing I heard of.... want to say it is called 'google'... :)

As far as my Dad goes... he love Oxcy Rush so no telling where he got the panhandle wanting to bail from...
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Oxy Rush was pretty good. He was funny. Sober Rush sucks.

Anyway, as I expected, you have no basis to claim that FL has pushed for separation.
 
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ecofarm said:
Oxy Rush was pretty good. He was funny. Sober Rush sucks.

Anyway, as I expected, you have no basis to claim that FL has pushed for separation.
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I wish we had. We would be better off.
 
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ecofarm said:
Oxy Rush was pretty good. He was funny. Sober Rush sucks. Anyway, as I expected, you have no basis to claim that FL has pushed for separation.
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And as I expected you can't google the truth! ('A Few Good Men' came on...)

According to the 'Miami-Dade Libertarian Examiner' three days after President Obama was elected for a second term, a petition was started to separate Florida from the Union. It got 31,000 signatures in under 30 days, the time deadline. 25,000 are required to get an official response from the White House...

According to City data forums in 2008 south Florida wanted to break away. They are talking about it in their forum.

I find it difficult to believe you have lived there for 'decades' and missed any talk of secession. Maybe when you was out of the country?
 
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notquiteright said:
And as I expected you can't google the truth! ('A Few Good Men' came on...)

According to the 'Miami-Dade Libertarian Examiner' three days after President Obama was elected for a second term, a petition was started to separate Florida from the Union. It got 31,000 signatures in under 30 days, the time deadline. 25,000 are required to get an official response from the White House...

According to City data forums in 2008 south Florida wanted to break away. They are talking about it in their forum.

I find it difficult to believe you have lived there for 'decades' and missed any talk of secession. Maybe when you was out of the country?
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I talk about it all the time. Im hardly representing Florida. We have 20 million people here.
 
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jonny5 said:
I talk about it all the time. Im hardly representing Florida. We have 20 million people here.
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I didn't say it had a snowball's chance in hell, just said it was talked about and a petition was circulated.

Eco claims he never heard of sucha thing....

That is all.....
 
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notquiteright said:
And as I expected you can't google the truth! ('A Few Good Men' came on...)

According to the 'Miami-Dade Libertarian Examiner' three days after President Obama was elected for a second term, a petition was started to separate Florida from the Union. It got 31,000 signatures in under 30 days, the time deadline. 25,000 are required to get an official response from the White House...

According to City data forums in 2008 south Florida wanted to break away. They are talking about it in their forum.

I find it difficult to believe you have lived there for 'decades' and missed any talk of secession. Maybe when you was out of the country?
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2008 would be around when I was writing my proposal, in Miami or Gainesville. I'm not sure how I missed the petition news, probably because it was insignificant and largely fodder for pundits.

Thanks for the explanation, I stand corrected.
 
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jonny5 said:
I wish we had. We would be better off.
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You do realize that's fantasy-land, right? Making such claims is really no different than being a communist arguing for utopia.
 
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notquiteright said:
I didn't say it had a snowball's chance in hell, just said it was talked about and a petition was circulated.

Eco claims he never heard of sucha thing....

That is all.....
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Stick to the topic and not attacking posters next time.
 
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jonny5 said:
Stick to the topic and not attacking posters next time.
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I didn't know you are a Mod now... :roll:

FYI Johnny come lately I didn't attack a poster, I pointed him toward the information he couldn't find on his own....

Now ask me if I give a rat's version of the north end of a southbound mule what you think... :lamo
 
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notquiteright said:
I didn't know you are a Mod now... :roll:

FYI Johnny come lately I didn't attack a poster, I pointed him toward the information he couldn't find on his own....

Now ask me if I give a rat's version of the north end of a southbound mule what you think... :lamo
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Dont be a jerk.
 
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austrianecon said:
NIMBY.. let me help you through this.. This is not a Federal issue rather a State issue. This is about Annapolis redrawing districts for extra state seats and 6th congressional district seat. The people of Western Maryland got shafted on political purpose. They went from a Republican district to "Democrat" because Annapolis decided to cut 1/3rd of their voting block and give it to another Republican district, then gave Western Maryland voters from the DC metro area (liberal). So instead of 2 Republican districts, you now have one. This is despite the fact that Western Maryland represents 40% of vote prior to the gerrymandering.
Gerry all the way.

And Annapolis windbags justify it as it's "fair".. well if 40% of your vote get 0% representation.. then that's a problem.
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Understand. However, if you think Gerry-mandering is bad in Maryland, look at Texas, Pennsylvania, North Carolina. This is why Texas was on the watch list since 1990. And now the SCOTUS is involved. Voting rights is the issue of this Century so far.
 
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jonny5 said:
You dont live in Maryland. And people have a right to consent to be governed.
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We have 100 Senators and 435 Representatives. As righties would say, get over and used to it. My solution to petition out and change states to West Virginia remains on the table.
 
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Top Cat said:
You'll be moving to one of those counties will you? Works for me.
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**sidenote:

Top Cat was Captain America's favorite cartoon character. I also played on a Little League team called the Top Cats.

That's it. Pardon my interruption. Carry on.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Not so interesting, these folks appear to be 152 years too late. ;)

The problem with calling this a "movement" is that formation of new states (or new state boundaries) is never going to happen peacefully and they lack the means to do so by force. Insanity is not all that interesting.
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I don't know why you say that. If its the will of the people it could very well happen. You live in a state where your vote counts. I don't. I vote for the Conservative or Moderate candidate every time but because I live in a Western Wash a very liberal area of the state my candidate who many times is the better candidate never wins.
 
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Top Cat said:
You'll be moving to one of those counties will you? Works for me.
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My problem is I love Washington state. To me its God country. I lust don't like the politics. I have been here for 36 years and will die here and be buried at Tahoma National Cemetery.
 
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