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    Re: US and Russia agree Syria chemical weapons deal in Geneva

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    Their professional expertise is irrelevant (sorry if that is what you understood from my post).
    What is relevant is the mandate they would be given and their ability to enforce this mandate and their own authority on the ground.

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    If they happen to find clues for other WMD's you suppose they should ignore them?
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    Re: US and Russia agree Syria chemical weapons deal in Geneva

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    LOL at this. "3. Extraordinary procedures under the Chemical Weapons Convention will allow "expeditious destruction"."

    Yes siree bob, get rid of all evidence of where the stuff came from to begin with. And have all the players agree to it. No way Kerry wants any evidence on display about the origin of the weapons.
    I think they are Russian . You?
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    Re: US and Russia agree Syria chemical weapons deal in Geneva

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    If they happen to find clues for other WMD's you suppose they should ignore them?
    Never said that, but their mandate would most probably be different and limited - they would not come to investigate in search of various kinds of WMDs, but to monitor and inspect the already listed and presented chemical storage sites.



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    Re: US and Russia agree Syria chemical weapons deal in Geneva

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The bottom line is the UN inspectors and CW destruction time line for Syria allows Assad another 9 or 10 months (minimum) for business as ususal, then things will be evaluated/negotiated again. A great victory for team Obama?
    Agreed. Assad and Putin got what they wanted - a delay. Let's see what comes out of it - my guess is "nothing".
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    Re: US and Russia agree Syria chemical weapons deal in Geneva

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    Never said that, but their mandate would most probably be different and limited - they would not come to investigate in search of various kinds of WMDs, but to monitor and inspect the already listed and presented chemical storage sites.



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    Well we know these inspector will go in.....so who in NATO is going to go and validate and help secure the chems that Assad gives up? I didn't see any of that in the agreement.

    Which Kerry better not commit us to that action. Plus no one is going to just accept Russia's word they on they will do it.

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    Re: US and Russia agree Syria chemical weapons deal in Geneva

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    Never said that, but their mandate would most probably be different and limited - they would not come to investigate in search of various kinds of WMDs, but to monitor and inspect the already listed and presented chemical storage sites.

    Fallen.
    Let me give you some insight as to how this is done. I had friends that worked with the OSCE during 1998 in Dardania (see signature). The cooperation between the foreign observers and government may be unfavorable at some instances and more favorable at others.

    But, among the OSCE members, there was always 1 guys missing! That day one would not join the group. The missing also always changed so as not to draw suspicion. One day a guy from one group was missing the next day he/she was back but another guy would be missing. Upon question they would state trivial causes: Working some back home, sleeping, he will be back tomorrow, etc.

    So if you think that the crew will go through an entirely scheduled procedure from Syria then you are wrong. Some who may be missing might go and take data their own way. Not to mention that some may be spies to begin with .

    Now this is what we know as civilians. Who knows how much more there may be to it!
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    Re: US and Russia agree Syria chemical weapons deal in Geneva

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Which Kerry better not commit us to that action. Plus no one is going to just accept Russia's word they on they will do it.
    I think Russian counter intelligence may be drawn in the matter. They would be assigned the role of making harder to spot other WMD's in Syria (if there are others).
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    Re: US and Russia agree Syria chemical weapons deal in Geneva

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Let me give you some insight as to how this is done. I had friends that worked with the OSCE during 1998 in Dardania (see signature). The cooperation between the foreign observers and government may be unfavorable at some instances and more favorable at others.

    But, among the OSCE members, there was always 1 guys missing! That day one would not join the group. The missing also always changed so as not to draw suspicion. One day a guy from one group was missing the next day he/she was back but another guy would be missing. Upon question they would state trivial causes: Working some back home, sleeping, he will be back tomorrow, etc.

    So if you think that the crew will go through an entirely scheduled procedure from Syria then you are wrong. Some who may be missing might go and take data their own way. Not to mention that some may be spies to begin with .

    Now this is what we know as civilians. Who knows how much more there may be to it!
    First of all, as I already mentioned the situation on the ground and in the political world is different, compared to Syria these days.

    Moreover, there would be of-course spies and there would be other people working on the subject of WMDs in Syria, as there are today.
    However, again it has nothing to do with what these investigators would be able to uncover under the guidelines of their mandate - that would probably be to monitor and assess the declared Syrian chemical sites.

    PS. You give too much credit to the capabilities of the various intelligence departments, including CIA.

    PPS. What makes you think there are other WMDs in Syria - i.e biological, nuclear?

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    Re: US and Russia agree Syria chemical weapons deal in Geneva

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well we know these inspector will go in.....so who in NATO is going to go and validate and help secure the chems that Assad gives up?
    Dunno

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    Re: US and Russia agree Syria chemical weapons deal in Geneva

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    First of all, as I already mentioned the situation on the ground and in the political world is different, compared to Syria these days.
    Countries change, the methods adapt, but I think the intent is always the same - Liberation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    Moreover, there would be of-course spies and there would be other people working on the subject of WMDs in Syria, as there are today.
    However, again it has nothing to do with what these investigators would be able to uncover under the guidelines of their mandate - that would probably be to monitor and assess the declared Syrian chemical sites.
    Mandate, schmandate, those guys are there to uncover other damaging materials in Syria I tell you!

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    1) PS. You give too much credit to the capabilities of the various intelligence departments, including CIA.

    2) PPS. What makes you think there are other WMDs in Syria - i.e biological, nuclear?

    Fallen.
    It will be up to the ones in 1 to come up with the types mentioned in 2 that they may detect there. Hope it is something meaningful and catchy. For instance nukes would not do!

    Biological ones though, they are not far from chems I think.
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