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    Lois Lerner's Own Words Emails undercut the official IRS story on political targeting

    In a February 2011 email, Ms. Lerner advised her staff—including then Exempt Organizations Technical Manager Michael Seto and then Rulings and Agreements director Holly Paz—that a Tea Party matter is "very dangerous," and is something "Counsel and [Lerner adviser] Judy Kindell need to be in on." Ms. Lerner adds, "Cincy should probably NOT have these cases."
    Review & Outlook: Lois Lerner's Own Words - WSJ.com

    what was the liberal argument again? oh yah "it wasn't politically motivated"
    I guess you liberals need to come up with another line what this makes 3 now

    rouge employees out of Cincy-- proven a lie
    Washington wasn't involved--proven a lie
    it wasn't politically motivated--just got proven wrong

    so im very interested to see the new line you liberals will come up with next to try to explain the unlawful IRS targeting of tea party groups

    lastly who politically had the most to gain from the targeting? it wasn't Lois Lerner or any IRS employees they are not elected they have jobs no matter who is in the WH

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    Re: Lois Lerner's Own Words Emails undercut the official IRS story on political targe

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    Review & Outlook: Lois Lerner's Own Words - WSJ.com

    what was the liberal argument again? oh yah "it wasn't politically motivated"
    I guess you liberals need to come up with another line what this makes 3 now

    rouge employees out of Cincy-- proven a lie
    Washington wasn't involved--proven a lie
    it wasn't politically motivated--just got proven wrong

    so im very interested to see the new line you liberals will come up with next to try to explain the unlawful IRS targeting of tea party groups

    lastly who politically had the most to gain from the targeting? it wasn't Lois Lerner or any IRS employees they are not elected they have jobs no matter who is in the WH
    Leftists will not be dismayed to learn this (though it was certainly suspected) because right now the bureaucracy is on their side. But what happens when an extreme right wing government takes over and places those extremists in charge of the bureaucracies? Then they will get a better realization of how important it is for the very powerful bureaucracies to remain impartial and within the law. But of course it will be too late.

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    Re: Lois Lerner's Own Words Emails undercut the official IRS story on political targe

    Move on, nothing to see here, obama said so.


    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    Review & Outlook: Lois Lerner's Own Words - WSJ.com

    what was the liberal argument again? oh yah "it wasn't politically motivated"
    I guess you liberals need to come up with another line what this makes 3 now

    rouge employees out of Cincy-- proven a lie
    Washington wasn't involved--proven a lie
    it wasn't politically motivated--just got proven wrong

    so im very interested to see the new line you liberals will come up with next to try to explain the unlawful IRS targeting of tea party groups

    lastly who politically had the most to gain from the targeting? it wasn't Lois Lerner or any IRS employees they are not elected they have jobs no matter who is in the WH

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    Re: Lois Lerner's Own Words Emails undercut the official IRS story on political targe

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    Review & Outlook: Lois Lerner's Own Words - WSJ.com

    what was the liberal argument again? oh yah "it wasn't politically motivated"
    I guess you liberals need to come up with another line what this makes 3 now

    rouge employees out of Cincy-- proven a lie
    Washington wasn't involved--proven a lie
    it wasn't politically motivated--just got proven wrong

    so im very interested to see the new line you liberals will come up with next to try to explain the unlawful IRS targeting of tea party groups

    lastly who politically had the most to gain from the targeting? it wasn't Lois Lerner or any IRS employees they are not elected they have jobs no matter who is in the WH

    Every premise pushed by this piece is a focused lie using selective quoting to promote a specific idea. The idea that the IRS focused solely on right wing groups attempting to circumvent the rules. But reality has never been all that important to some folks, now has it?
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Lois Lerner's Own Words Emails undercut the official IRS story on political targe

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Every premise pushed by this piece is a focused lie using selective quoting to promote a specific idea. The idea that the IRS focused solely on right wing groups attempting to circumvent the rules. But reality has never been all that important to some folks, now has it?
    Another socialist who won't read anything that may interfere with deeply held beliefs.

    But is there any other kind?

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    Re: Lois Lerner's Own Words Emails undercut the official IRS story on political targe

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    Review & Outlook: Lois Lerner's Own Words - WSJ.com

    what was the liberal argument again? oh yah "it wasn't politically motivated"
    I guess you liberals need to come up with another line what this makes 3 now

    rouge employees out of Cincy-- proven a lie
    Washington wasn't involved--proven a lie
    it wasn't politically motivated--just got proven wrong

    so im very interested to see the new line you liberals will come up with next to try to explain the unlawful IRS targeting of tea party groups

    lastly who politically had the most to gain from the targeting? it wasn't Lois Lerner or any IRS employees they are not elected they have jobs no matter who is in the WH


    Since a non-profit status can be achieved via the 527 tax code, why did the political organizations choose 501 c4? Well, the answer lies in the story you posted:


    Quote Originally Posted by wsj
    The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee had complained to the Federal Election Commission that conservative groups like Crossroads GPS and Americans for Prosperity should be treated as political committees, rather than 501(c)(4)s, which are tax-exempt social welfare groups that do not have to disclose their donors.
    http://www.lawprofessorblogs.com/tax...005-3455-1.pdf


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    Re: Lois Lerner's Own Words Emails undercut the official IRS story on political targe

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Another socialist who won't read anything that may interfere with deeply held beliefs.

    But is there any other kind?

    Another rightie denying reality is what I see.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Lois Lerner's Own Words Emails undercut the official IRS story on political targe

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Since a non-profit status can be achieved via the 527 tax code, why did the political organizations choose 501 c4? Well, the answer lies in the story you posted:
    http://www.lawprofessorblogs.com/tax...005-3455-1.pdf
    "Perhaps the FEC will save the day," Ms. Lerner wrote back later that morning.

    That response suggests Ms. Lerner's political leanings, and it also raises questions about Ms. Lerner's intentions in a separate email exchange she had when an FEC investigator inquired about the status of the conservative group the American Future Fund. The FEC and IRS don't have the authority to share that information under section 6103 of the Internal Revenue Code. But the bigger question is why did they want to? After the FEC inquiry, the American Future Fund also got a questionnaire from the IRS.
    It is clear what Lerner meant by "saving the day", isn't it? Is this how you really want the powerful IRS, and other bureaucracies, to behave? Are you not considering what the future may hold if these bureaucracies gain too much power over American citizens? This is very, very short-sighted.

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    Re: Lois Lerner's Own Words Emails undercut the official IRS story on political targe

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It is clear what Lerner meant by "saving the day", isn't it? Is this how you really want the powerful IRS, and other bureaucracies, to behave? Are you not considering what the future may hold if these bureaucracies gain too much power over American citizens? This is very, very short-sighted.
    liberals don't give a rats ass as long as it is the right that gets targeted

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    Re: Lois Lerner's Own Words Emails undercut the official IRS story on political targe

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It is clear what Lerner meant by "saving the day", isn't it? Is this how you really want the powerful IRS, and other bureaucracies, to behave? Are you not considering what the future may hold if these bureaucracies gain too much power over American citizens? This is very, very short-sighted.
    What's clear to me is that the political groups sought 501 c4 rather than 527 IRS status because they don't want their donors known.


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