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    Re: Climate models wildly overestimated global warming, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    Read more: Climate models wildly overestimated global warming, study finds | Fox News

    how many times does a science need to be wrong before they lose all creditability?
    114 being wrong out of 117 is a very piss poor record. all the scientist that where wrong need to have their funding pulled and only allow the 3 that where roughly right to continue with their research. just think of all the money that would be saved by not supporting the junk science of the 114 that was wrong

    Here is something that might help explain this.

    La Niña-like conditions behind gentler global warming, study finds

    Why is the slower warming a surprise?
    The warming slow down has perplexed scientists, as climate model projections projected a swift and steady rise in temperatures over the last one to two decades.
    An independent commentary published today in the journal Nature Climate Change proposes an explanation: computer models have a poor handle on the cycle of La Niñas and El Niños and other possible factors which, along with greenhouse gases, have governed the course of recent temperatures.
    The commentary “Overestimated global warming over the past 20 years” notes observed warming is much less than projected by models used by the United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).
    Despite the slow down in warming, temperatures have not ceased climbing. This fact is especially apparent when examining recent trends in temperatures binned according to whether it’s a La Niña, El Niña or neutral year (neither La Niña or El Niño).

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    Re: Climate models wildly overestimated global warming, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    Read more: Climate models wildly overestimated global warming, study finds | Fox News

    how many times does a science need to be wrong before they lose all creditability?
    114 being wrong out of 117 is a very piss poor record. all the scientist that where wrong need to have their funding pulled and only allow the 3 that where roughly right to continue with their research. just think of all the money that would be saved by not supporting the junk science of the 114 that was wrong
    That's the dumbest argument I've ever heard. The 117 all predicted increase in temperature and were correct. That their exact temp increase was incorrect doesn't even matter. Thank you for this data verifying Global Warming as you acknowledge that the temperature increase has occurred and predictably so.

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    Re: Climate models wildly overestimated global warming, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    What are your thoughts on the carrying capacity of this planet? Lots of scientists are thinking somewhere between one and two billion, tops. So if we are over the carrying capacity by such a sh**t-ton, maybe that's the problem? I wonder what soylent green tasted like? I guess Charlton Heston isn't around anymore to tell us though. ;-(
    I can only wonder and speculate about the load capacity of the planet. I also wonder what specific area of scientific study theorizes same? What is used as a control? It seems lots of scientists are obviously incorrect. The example of humans within the state of Texas was based upon the then estimated world population of 6.7 billion. Overall the world is doing okay. While much of our sciences are infantile age wise, we have developed technology which we might consider 'hard knowledge'; that 'hard knowledge allows us to continue to develop answers to old and new but yet unknown questions and future situations.

    I've been around long enough to have lived through several scientifically proclaimed apocalypses that did not occur. Among the worse prognostications was based upon Rachel Carson's "Silent Spring" .... millions have died due to that incorrectly based theory.

    This is somewhat humorous now, but, in the 70's we in the U.S.A. were told to buy Alaskan winter wear for the lower 48 until we could get south of the Rio Grande; then those south of the equator would perish from sunburn/cancer due to the hole in the ozone layer.

    I maintain a reasonable skepticism about scientific prognostication that oft times take a miniscule but true bit of data ( that we might need to observe ) to extrapolate Armageddon. These doomsday forecasts seem to attract a very zealous religion like following that morphs into a profitable, for some, political agenda.

    I could prattle on... but will not ..gotta' keep a sense of humor about things...

    Soylent Green flavor ? It's probably made by Frito-Lay and Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream .... flavors to suit every individual

    Have a great day Snappo

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    Re: Climate models wildly overestimated global warming, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    I can only wonder and speculate about the load capacity of the planet. I also wonder what specific area of scientific study theorizes same? What is used as a control? It seems lots of scientists are obviously incorrect. The example of humans within the state of Texas was based upon the then estimated world population of 6.7 billion. Overall the world is doing okay. While much of our sciences are infantile age wise, we have developed technology which we might consider 'hard knowledge'; that 'hard knowledge allows us to continue to develop answers to old and new but yet unknown questions and future situations.

    I've been around long enough to have lived through several scientifically proclaimed apocalypses that did not occur. Among the worse prognostications was based upon Rachel Carson's "Silent Spring" .... millions have died due to that incorrectly based theory.

    This is somewhat humorous now, but, in the 70's we in the U.S.A. were told to buy Alaskan winter wear for the lower 48 until we could get south of the Rio Grande; then those south of the equator would perish from sunburn/cancer due to the hole in the ozone layer.

    I maintain a reasonable skepticism about scientific prognostication that oft times take a miniscule but true bit of data ( that we might need to observe ) to extrapolate Armageddon. These doomsday forecasts seem to attract a very zealous religion like following that morphs into a profitable, for some, political agenda.

    I could prattle on... but will not ..gotta' keep a sense of humor about things...

    Soylent Green flavor ? It's probably made by Frito-Lay and Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream .... flavors to suit every individual

    Have a great day Snappo

    Thom Paine
    Thanks for the response. You are right - science sure does have a way of getting things wrong. I'm glad we have it, mind you - but yeah, it's wrong as often as it's right. I was born in 61, so I remember the ozone scare and other alarmist information quite well. There definitely is a carrying capacity to this planet, and I suspect politics is the reason it is often hard to understand the data related to it. What I mean is that often times starvation isn't because our species isn't growing and harvesting enough good; it's more because some political party holds back the food or the money to buy it. I am grateful for where I live - I think if there is a food shortage then places like the farm in NY where I live will be the last to be affected. I can live off the food on my property for the most part. Lord knows I would get sick and tired of all the apples (I have at least 10 types of apple trees on my land) and honey, but we also grow all of our own tomatoes, corn, veggies and melons, and even wheat for milling our own grains to make bread.

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    Re: Climate models wildly overestimated global warming, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    Thanks for the response. You are right - science sure does have a way of getting things wrong. I'm glad we have it, mind you - but yeah, it's wrong as often as it's right. I was born in 61, so I remember the ozone scare and other alarmist information quite well. There definitely is a carrying capacity to this planet, and I suspect politics is the reason it is often hard to understand the data related to it. What I mean is that often times starvation isn't because our species isn't growing and harvesting enough good; it's more because some political party holds back the food or the money to buy it. I am grateful for where I live - I think if there is a food shortage then places like the farm in NY where I live will be the last to be affected. I can live off the food on my property for the most part. Lord knows I would get sick and tired of all the apples (I have at least 10 types of apple trees on my land) and honey, but we also grow all of our own tomatoes, corn, veggies and melons, and even wheat for milling our own grains to make bread.
    Good Afternoon, part of you question would involve setting boundary conditions.
    In a world without oil, where we only rely on animal power, we might only support 1 billion.
    If the limits were only organic methods, perhaps 2 billion, and on up in stages from there.
    Provided unlimited energy, and peace, our population could go a lot higher, however those two
    destinations seem to be out of our grasp, so far.

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