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    Re: Climate models wildly overestimated global warming, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Which is why all the alarm over the warming of the last 100 years is stupid.
    I agree, but it's also stupid to look at 1 year or 15 and say "See, nothings happening!"

    Whether or not any changes happening are a result of human action, I don't think it's particularly smart to bury our heads in the sand and pretend like we know it's a hoax. We don't know that either.


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    Re: Climate models wildly overestimated global warming, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I agree, but it's also stupid to look at 1 year or 15 and say "See, nothings happening!"

    Whether or not any changes happening are a result of human action, I don't think it's particularly smart to bury our heads in the sand and pretend like we know it's a hoax. We don't know that either.

    Not really true, Rocket. The problem with the AGW argument is they are trying to argue that the trend of the last 100 years is abnormal when we simply don't have the precision in paleoclimate records to see 0.7C change with any precision. But when you are talking about a 100 year trend, 15 years is very significant. All the skeptical argument needs to show is that there is no precision in the AGW models because it is the AGW models on which their entire theory rests. So it is an entirely different use of time scales in the Skeptical argument.

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    Re: Climate models wildly overestimated global warming, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    Read more: Climate models wildly overestimated global warming, study finds | Fox News

    how many times does a science need to be wrong before they lose all creditability?
    114 being wrong out of 117 is a very piss poor record. all the scientist that where wrong need to have their funding pulled and only allow the 3 that where roughly right to continue with their research. just think of all the money that would be saved by not supporting the junk science of the 114 that was wrong
    I don't know what logical truth/free thinking individual could possibly buy this AGW bull****....

    The simple fact that these quacks get paid by governments to say AGW is fact despite the fact there is absolutely ZERO evidence to support their claims is enough to shut the door in their faces....

    These quacks don't even have enough recorded data to even have a science let alone make predictions...

    Your local Meteorologist cant even predict the weather accurately 3 days from now but we should take the word of a bunch of quack rejects that "AGW is fact" lol....

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    Re: Climate models wildly overestimated global warming, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    Read more: Climate models wildly overestimated global warming, study finds | Fox News

    how many times does a science need to be wrong before they lose all creditability?
    114 being wrong out of 117 is a very piss poor record. all the scientist that where wrong need to have their funding pulled and only allow the 3 that where roughly right to continue with their research. just think of all the money that would be saved by not supporting the junk science of the 114 that was wrong
    In other words, temperature increased, but not by as much as predicted. So we were right I guess?

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    Re: Climate models wildly overestimated global warming, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    In other words, temperature increased, but not by as much as predicted. So we were right I guess?
    No it is like running around screaming a hurricane is coming a hurricane is coming and we get a drizzle

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    Re: Climate models wildly overestimated global warming, study finds

    No, it's like it rose, but not as much as was predicted. The flood is only up to your knees instead of your waist. Two feet high and rising.....
    Don't work out, work in.

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    Re: Climate models wildly overestimated global warming, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    In other words, temperature increased, but not by as much as predicted. So we were right I guess?
    The temperature increased on a line it has been on since about 1850, the prediction was that it would exceed the normal rise by a factor of 3X or 4X.
    The temperature may have exceeded the general line for brief periods, but also has now stopped rising altogether (for a brief period).
    Their predictions are still within the error bars, but they made the error bars wide enough to cover even a minor increase.
    I will try to put some numbers on this later (when more awake)

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    Re: Climate models wildly overestimated global warming, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    I concur; while I posit this thought. Without plentiful CO2 none of the above would exist. No flora means no fauna... more flora means more fauna... compare species propagation in regards to climate areas. Keeping human population in perspective... one could allow for 1000 square feet per human and still place every human within the U.S. State of Texas. It is challenging to believe that so few could doom the entire mass of this planet. It is not to say we should be so cavalier to disregard all we do but our sciences are very young and panic is uncalled for.... we can take advantage of the always changing natural occurrences.

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    What are your thoughts on the carrying capacity of this planet? Lots of scientists are thinking somewhere between one and two billion, tops. So if we are over the carrying capacity by such a sh**t-ton, maybe that's the problem? I wonder what soylent green tasted like? I guess Charlton Heston isn't around anymore to tell us though. ;-(

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    Re: Climate models wildly overestimated global warming, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    The temperature increased on a line it has been on since about 1850, the prediction was that it would exceed the normal rise by a factor of 3X or 4X.
    The temperature may have exceeded the general line for brief periods, but also has now stopped rising altogether (for a brief period).
    Their predictions are still within the error bars, but they made the error bars wide enough to cover even a minor increase.
    I will try to put some numbers on this later (when more awake)

    Here's the problem with numbers - let's say someone did a study on what you and I set our thermostats to because they want to make sure our electric bills together are kind of static. So one day I turn down my temp in the house from 68 to 48 since I like it cold. Conversely, you then have to turn yours from 68 to 88. The scientists report back to their readers that Snappo and Long are in stasis. Well if someone was visiting your house they wouldn't think things were in stasis - your house just became hot as hell. Maybe the planet is overall not moving much one way or the other; but from my seat in NY and previously from my seat in GA it sure is getting hotter. Maybe that means it's colder in Canada. <shrugs>

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    Re: Climate models wildly overestimated global warming, study finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    Here's the problem with numbers - let's say someone did a study on what you and I set our thermostats to because they want to make sure our electric bills together are kind of static. So one day I turn down my temp in the house from 68 to 48 since I like it cold. Conversely, you then have to turn yours from 68 to 88. The scientists report back to their readers that Snappo and Long are in stasis. Well if someone was visiting your house they wouldn't think things were in stasis - your house just became hot as hell. Maybe the planet is overall not moving much one way or the other; but from my seat in NY and previously from my seat in GA it sure is getting hotter. Maybe that means it's colder in Canada. <shrugs>
    This is a different can of worms, the how the data was collected and averaged.
    Here is the text header from the NASA table data.

    GLOBAL Land-Ocean Temperature Index in 0.01 degrees Celsius base period: 1951-1980

    sources: GHCN-v3 1880-08/2013 + SST: ERSST 1880-08/2013
    using elimination of outliers and homogeneity adjustment
    Notes: 1950 DJF = Dec 1949 - Feb 1950 ; ***** = missing
    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/ta...LB.Ts+dSST.txt
    We can only hope they used good methodology in how the eliminated outliers and homogenized the data.
    Sometimes I think it is getting hotter also, but the numbers show only a slight increase.
    I think the numbers on my scale and number of birthdays have more to do with my perception of it getting warmer.
    If the AGW concept were accurate, the time lag of energy leaving earth would first be observed at night.
    (It would cool off slower after the sun went down).

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