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    Re: Republicans move to halt ObamaCare 'bailout' for angry unions

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    The law was not amended. The Office of Personnel Management was basically directed to "fix" the situation.
    Very good point, I misspoke, you are correct. Regardless, they aren't exempt.

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    The reason for subjecting Congress members and their staffs was to show that if it was good enough for individual citizens it should be good enough for them as well...
    And they are still getting insurance through the exchanges, the only difference is that now they can keep their current benefits provided to them by their employer. If anyone has a problem that they get benefits, then that is something that they should complain about separately because ObamaCare didn't create these benefits, it's only continuing it.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Republicans move to halt ObamaCare 'bailout' for angry unions

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    And they are still getting insurance through the exchanges, the only difference is that now they can keep their current benefits provided to them by their employer. If anyone has a problem that they get benefits, then that is something that they should complain about separately because ObamaCare didn't create these benefits, it's only continuing it.
    Yes, but the law did not provide for any subsidies not available to other individuals without HC. Current federal subsidies available for individuals are dependent on income, not their employer. That was the point of the amendment that added this provision...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Republicans move to halt ObamaCare 'bailout' for angry unions

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Yes, but the law did not provide for any subsidies not available to other individuals without HC. Current federal subsidies available for individuals are dependent on income, not their employer. That was the point of the amendment that added this provision...
    They are not receiving subsidies, they are receiving employer benefits, something that is allowed in the exchanges, even though it's only allowed for small businesses. It's disingenuous to call these "subsidies". My employer does not give me a "health care subsidy". It's a benefit. And it's something that they are currently receiving and they wanted it continued.

    In the end, we are only arguing semantics. It is a fact that they will be receiving their health care plans through the exchange. So to say that they got an exemption is stretching the truth.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Republicans move to halt ObamaCare 'bailout' for angry unions

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    They are not receiving subsidies, they are receiving employer benefits, something that is allowed in the exchanges, even though it's only allowed for small businesses. It's disingenuous to call these "subsidies". My employer does not give me a "health care subsidy". It's a benefit. And it's something that they are currently receiving and they wanted it continued.

    In the end, we are only arguing semantics. It is a fact that they will be receiving their health care plans through the exchange. So to say that they got an exemption is stretching the truth.
    This is just an excuse for the actions that have been taken. Clearly the intent of the law was to have them shop and purchase on the exchanges as any other individual is now required to do, but it was decided that it would be too expensive for them to have to do this...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Republicans move to halt ObamaCare 'bailout' for angry unions

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    This is just an excuse for the actions that have been taken. Clearly the intent of the law was to have them shop and purchase on the exchanges as any other individual is now required to do, but it was decided that it would be too expensive for them to have to do this...
    The intent of the law was not to strip them of their employer based benefits. That was an unintended consequence. If you don't think that they should receive these benefits, that's fine and you can make a very valid argument on that, but what you can't argue is that ObamaCare is the responsible party. This has been how its setup in the past and they have arranged it to continue.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Republicans move to halt ObamaCare 'bailout' for angry unions

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    The intent of the law was not to strip them of their employer based benefits. That was an unintended consequence. If you don't think that they should receive these benefits, that's fine and you can make a very valid argument on that, but what you can't argue is that ObamaCare is the responsible party. This has been how its setup in the past and they have arranged it to continue.
    Actually, it was...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Republicans move to halt ObamaCare 'bailout' for angry unions

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    The source you provided claims that Congress is exempt in the title, but doesn't explain how in the actual source. All they have done is allow the current health insurance benefit that congress currently receives also be able to be applied when they have to switch to ObamaCare health care exchanges. They have not been exempted in any way. They will be shopping for insurance, and buying the same insurance plans that any average everyday citizen would be getting. And if that citizens employer wants to pay part of his premium as a pat of his salary, that is identical to the federal government paying part of congress's premiums. Which is currently how it's done anyway.

    Your second source only talks about temporary waivers, which is exactly my point. No one is getting exemptions, only temporary waivers to allow a company more time to comply, thus easing any possible burdens put on business's. This is a common practice.

    If you read it, you would note that when the law was passed congress was subject to the law but when they found they were giving up their golden ticket, Obama stepped in and the government subsidized their payments into the exchanges. At least that's what the article said, if you read it.

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    Re: Republicans move to halt ObamaCare 'bailout' for angry unions

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    If you read it, you would note that when the law was passed congress was subject to the law but when they found they were giving up their golden ticket, Obama stepped in and the government subsidized their payments into the exchanges. At least that's what the article said, if you read it.
    All they did was extend the current employer benefits that they currently receive to the exchanges. They are still subject to the law. That's hardly what I would consider an "exemption".
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Republicans move to halt ObamaCare 'bailout' for angry unions

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Actually, it was...
    Nope, by all accounts that I have heard from congress people is that this was an unintended consequence. They knew that they would purchase insurance through the exchange, but not that they would not continue receiving employer benefits on their premiums.

    If my employer switches insurance companies and I tell them that they must continue to pay 50% of my premiums or I will leave for another job offer, and they agree to pay it, that isn't me getting an exemption from the switch.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Republicans move to halt ObamaCare 'bailout' for angry unions

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    I don't like Obamacare either. Who do I see about my subsidy?

    Congress has exempted itself, a number of large companies have been given exemptions, Obama is now struggling for union support. This is more of the same Chicago style cronyism that we've come to expect from this president. I don't know why we keep letting them get away with it.
    Why was Bush allowed to bail out the banks who caused the housing collapse when he signed the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008? He rewarded the evil doers.

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