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Debbie Wasserman Schultz on COL recall: 'Voter Suppression, Pure and Simple’

haymarket said:
No. Not at all. What is your point that you failed to make in that post?

How is the vast majority of the voters using a mail in ballot somehow someway "dirty politics"? can you explain that accusation with evidence ?
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You obviously have never been in the "middle of no where" where some counties have a population of 500 or 1000?

I'm talking population here...... Denver within itself is 1/5th the population of Colorado (that's not taking into account suburbs).... Of course there are other small cities across Colorado that are "urban" to some extent but 70% of the state holds about 30% of its population..... That's the only thing that matters.

You really don't get it do you?
 
haymarket said:
Actually, I am the only one providing verifiable statistics and facts. You and others are simply providing the usual right wing vitriol.
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No you're not posting anything other than opinion based on opinion based on deceptive nonsense.....
 
haymarket said:
I give you facts and verifiable information and you give me vitriol and nonsense. < snip >
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No you didn't. You blurted a couple of nonsensical, pithy, wholly biased propaganda tidbits that demonstrated little if not a complete lack of ignorance about Colorado politics or Colorado election process - which granted, is about umpteen million times more than blabbermouth schultz knows - but still precious little in itself to make a practical difference.

I live in Colorado. I've voted in Colorado for the past, oh.... 40+ years. This past election cycle saw one of the most outrageous travesties of governmental abuse we've ever seen in our state - so outrageous it was that we even have counties in this state threatening to secede - so don't you DARE presume to pretend for an instant you know more about what's going on here than we do. Good grief, the arrogance of such ignorance is downright putrid.

But we love you. Its these very sort of petty inanities we need to address on occasion that give life that little extra "spice" - don'tcha know.
 
EdwinWillers said:
No you didn't. You blurted a couple of nonsensical, pithy, wholly biased propaganda tidbits that demonstrated little if not a complete lack of ignorance about Colorado politics or Colorado election process - which granted, is about umpteen million times more than blabbermouth schultz knows - but still precious little in itself to make a practical difference.

I live in Colorado. I've voted in Colorado for the past, oh.... 40+ years. This past election cycle saw one of the most outrageous travesties of governmental abuse we've ever seen in our state - so outrageous it was that we even have counties in this state threatening to secede - so don't you DARE presume to pretend for an instant you know more about what's going on here than we do. Good grief, the arrogance of such ignorance is downright putrid.

But we love you. Its these very sort of petty inanities we need to address on occasion that give life that little extra "spice" - don'tcha know.
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I don't know if you're urban (or close to a populated area with a populated "city" near by) but I have an extremely hard time believing that 70% of Denver or wherever is populated in COL votes via mail...... I'm quite sure you folks go to your polling stations just like anyone else and vote ...... This "70% vote via mail" is nonsense....
 
haymarket said:
You get mad and lose your cool just because Wasserman was factually correct and I pointed it out with verifiable evidence. WOW!!!! :doh:roll:
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You and campbel are 2 peas in a pod... You make up stories about people to cover up your lies. One day I hope you 2 will wake up and realize that a political ideology that you have to lie in order to defend, is a lie itself... Think about it.
 
70% of the counties in the United States are republican or non-progressive.
 
Mr.Nick said:
I don't know if you're urban (or close to a populated area with a populated "city" near by) but I have an extremely hard time believing that 70% of Denver or wherever is populated in COL votes via mail...... I'm quite sure you folks go to your polling stations just like anyone else and vote ...... This "70% vote via mail" is nonsense....
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Nah - people have a choice. I don't know the numbers, who votes using which method. We actually go the mail route because it's generally easier (go figure - that's why the liberals running our state implemented it) - but were there issues with the mail we could always just go to our precinct and cast our ballots there instead. In fact, we just recently moved so will have to do that next go around.

So the relative proportions of who votes how is irrelevant. You can vote either way.

But more pertinent is the nature and importance of this particular election. This was a HUGE DEAL in our state - HUGE - to the point of being realistically divisive. These recall elections weren't done under the rug, as blabbermouth schultzie or haymaker would have people think. These were very public, intensely publicized recall elections - so publicized that the opposition outspent the winners overwhelmingly.

Moreover, the liberal lawmakers in our state even went so far as to change the voter registration laws - relaxing them so egregiously and surreptitiously that a member of one of our think tanks actually publicly demonstrated the ease with which virtually anyone could cast a ballot in our state now. And irony of ironies - guess who sponsored that law? Angela Giron, one of the two lawmakers recalled.

No, this has nothing to do with voter suppression - quite the opposite in fact.
 
EdwinWillers said:
Nah - people have a choice. I don't know the numbers, who votes using which method. We actually go the mail route because it's generally easier (go figure - that's why the liberals running our state implemented it) - but were there issues with the mail we could always just go to our precinct and cast our ballots there instead. In fact, we just recently moved so will have to do that next go around.

So the relative proportions of who votes how is irrelevant. You can vote either way.

But more pertinent is the nature and importance of this particular election. This was a HUGE DEAL in our state - HUGE - to the point of being realistically divisive. These recall elections weren't done under the rug, as blabbermouth schultzie or haymaker would have people think. These were very public, intensely publicized recall elections - so publicized that the opposition outspent the winners overwhelmingly.

Moreover, the liberal lawmakers in our state even went so far as to change the voter registration laws - relaxing them so egregiously and surreptitiously that a member of one of our think tanks actually publicly demonstrated the ease with which virtually anyone could cast a ballot in our state now. And irony of ironies - guess who sponsored that law? Angela Giron, one of the two lawmakers recalled.

No, this has nothing to do with voter suppression - quite the opposite in fact.
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I know one was repealed (don't know the name) with a margin of 12 points and the other was at something like 8 or 9 points....

That was pretty decisive ....
 
Mr.Nick said:
I know one was repealed (don't know the name) with a margin of 12 points and the other was at something like 8 or 9 points....

That was pretty decisive ....
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Morse only lost by about 2 points, but Giron suffered a more decisive defeat - 12 points.

And they outspent their opponents by a little more than 5 to 1 - so it's hilarious how some would attempt to spin the outcome as the blabbermouth is doing. She's such moron and a sold-out hack.
 
cpgrad08 said:
I would like to those facts please.
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What facts are you ignorant of ? ...
I will see if I can help fill in the gaps in your knowledge of party demographics of election results in recent history and the laws governing Colorado election procedures in general and this peculiarities of this unprecedented recall election.
Every word I have said can be borne out with easily obtainable factual evidence.
Please be specific about which facts you need to see and I will be as accommodating as I know how.
 
EdwinWillers said:
Morse only lost by about 2 points, but Giron suffered a more decisive defeat - 12 points.

And they outspent their opponents by a little more than 5 to 1 - so it's hilarious how some would attempt to spin the outcome as the blabbermouth is doing. She's such moron and a sold-out hack.
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Bloomberg made no attempt to hide the funding of his interests in this recall election but the NRA and the Koch boys are experts at clandestine funding of political races that they find important to their monetary interests. Those who understand the mechanics of covert funding by these financial power players in the past understand that they may have easily shelled out as much as double Bloomberg's investment. There is no way to know the exact figure...they are that clever.
The legal maneuvering required, I.E. the injecting of a decoy, third party candidate, into the race at the last minute to prevent the mail out of ballots that Colorado rural district voters have become accustomed to, is a testament to the underhanded lengths that the NRA lawyers will go to just to win a largely symbolic race such as this one. They even somehow got to the El Paso election officials so that early voting did not start until the day before the final election date using the same tactic. Had El Paso county held early voting as they usually do there is no doubt in anyone's mind that there would have been a very different outcome.
Again the Democratic party in Colorado continue to hold majorities in the Senate and the House as well as the Governorship. The slightly saner gun laws,recently passed, that are supported by a majority of all Americans, will stand unaltered and enforced state-wide.
Debbie Wasserman Schultz gave an accurate and descriptive account when she noted that this special election had an active element of voter suppression at play. There is no other way to describe it. 30% turnout is not representative of typical Colorado participation in any election.
Revel and gloat in your hollow victory for now... the next general election will see a return to sanity when all electors are given a chance to have their say.
 
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It should be noted that this was not a single issue recall election as the media love to paint it. Had Giron and Morse not supported the new Colorado renewable energy policies recently passed, then the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) and the Koch brothers would not likely have gotten involved. Without their deep pockets and their expertise at covert funding tactics and dirty political maneuvering, the elections would have had very different outcomes.
Morse and Giron found themselves in a perfect ****-storm from the biggest money the GOP can muster in an off election year and even Bloomberg's Mayors Against Illegal Guns funding couldn't save them.
Originally there were four Colorado legislators targeted by ALEC the Kochs and the NRA but they could not muster the tiny number of signatures necessary to start the recall procedure in Colorado, on two of them. The goal was for four recalls and they were only half-way successful.
Big money it seems can sway an election through voter suppression, election law maneuvering and lying advertisements but still can't always buy signatures on a petition.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
You obviously have never been in the "middle of no where" where some counties have a population of 500 or 1000?

I'm talking population here...... Denver within itself is 1/5th the population of Colorado (that's not taking into account suburbs).... Of course there are other small cities across Colorado that are "urban" to some extent but 70% of the state holds about 30% of its population..... That's the only thing that matters.

You really don't get it do you?
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What does any of this have to do with the reality that mail in ballots were not allowed in a state where 70% of the people use them?

You are attempting to introduce material which is irrelevant to the issue being discussed.
 
Mr.Nick said:
No you're not posting anything other than opinion based on opinion based on deceptive nonsense.....
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You obviously do NOT know the difference between fact and opinion.

FACT: Colorado is a state in which 70% of voters cast their ballots by mail.
FACT: In the recall election. mail in ballots were not allowed.

OPINION: That is fine and dandy.

I hope that helps.
 
EdwinWillers said:
No you didn't. You blurted a couple of nonsensical, pithy, wholly biased propaganda tidbits that demonstrated little if not a complete lack of ignorance about Colorado politics or Colorado election process - which granted, is about umpteen million times more than blabbermouth schultz knows - but still precious little in itself to make a practical difference.

I live in Colorado. I've voted in Colorado for the past, oh.... 40+ years. This past election cycle saw one of the most outrageous travesties of governmental abuse we've ever seen in our state - so outrageous it was that we even have counties in this state threatening to secede - so don't you DARE presume to pretend for an instant you know more about what's going on here than we do. Good grief, the arrogance of such ignorance is downright putrid.

But we love you. Its these very sort of petty inanities we need to address on occasion that give life that little extra "spice" - don'tcha know.
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Attempting to attack me does not provide a very good substitute for failing to negate the facts in this case - namely that mail in ballots were not allowed in a State election where up to 70% of people use that method.
 
Grim17 said:
You and campbel are 2 peas in a pod... You make up stories about people to cover up your lies. One day I hope you 2 will wake up and realize that a political ideology that you have to lie in order to defend, is a lie itself... Think about it.
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Nothing was made up. I simply gave you two facts about the election.

FACT: Colorado is a state in which 70% of voters cast their ballots by mail.
FACT: In the recall election, mail in ballots were not allowed.

You have not disputed either.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Bloomberg made no attempt to hide the funding of his interests in this recall election but the NRA and the Koch boys are experts at clandestine funding of political races that they find important to their monetary interests. Those who understand the mechanics of covert funding by these financial power players in the past understand that they may have easily shelled out as much as double Bloomberg's investment. There is no way to know the exact figure...they are that clever.
The legal maneuvering required, I.E. the injecting of a decoy, third party candidate, into the race at the last minute to prevent the mail out of ballots that Colorado rural district voters have become accustomed to, is a testament to the underhanded lengths that the NRA lawyers will go to just to win a largely symbolic race such as this one. They even somehow got to the El Paso election officials so that early voting did not start until the day before the final election date using the same tactic. Had El Paso county held early voting as they usually do there is no doubt in anyone's mind that there would have been a very different outcome.
Again the Democratic party in Colorado continue to hold majorities in the Senate and the House as well as the Governorship. The slightly saner gun laws,recently passed, that are supported by a majority of all Americans, will stand unaltered and enforced state-wide.
Debbie Wasserman Schultz gave an accurate and descriptive account when she noted that this special election had an active element of voter suppression at play. There is no other way to describe it. 30% turnout is not representative of typical Colorado participation in any election.
Revel and gloat in your hollow victory for now... the next general election will see a return to sanity when all electors are given a chance to have their say.
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Buck Ewer said:
It should be noted that this was not a single issue recall election as the media love to paint it. Had Giron and Morse not supported the new Colorado renewable energy policies recently passed, then the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) and the Koch brothers would not likely have gotten involved. Without their deep pockets and their expertise at covert funding tactics and dirty political maneuvering, the elections would have had very different outcomes.
Morse and Giron found themselves in a perfect ****-storm from the biggest money the GOP can muster in an off election year and even Bloomberg's Mayors Against Illegal Guns funding couldn't save them.
Originally there were four Colorado legislators targeted by ALEC the Kochs and the NRA but they could not muster the tiny number of signatures necessary to start the recall procedure in Colorado, on two of them. The goal was for four recalls and they were only half-way successful.
Big money it seems can sway an election through voter suppression, election law maneuvering and lying advertisements but still can't always buy signatures on a petition.
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Some people are such sore losers...
 
Buck Ewer said:
Bloomberg made no attempt to hide the funding of his interests in this recall election but the NRA and the Koch boys are experts at clandestine funding of political races that they find important to their monetary interests. Those who understand the mechanics of covert funding by these financial power players in the past understand that they may have easily shelled out as much as double Bloomberg's investment. There is no way to know the exact figure...they are that clever.
The legal maneuvering required, I.E. the injecting of a decoy, third party candidate, into the race at the last minute to prevent the mail out of ballots that Colorado rural district voters have become accustomed to, is a testament to the underhanded lengths that the NRA lawyers will go to just to win a largely symbolic race such as this one. They even somehow got to the El Paso election officials so that early voting did not start until the day before the final election date using the same tactic. Had El Paso county held early voting as they usually do there is no doubt in anyone's mind that there would have been a very different outcome.
Again the Democratic party in Colorado continue to hold majorities in the Senate and the House as well as the Governorship. The slightly saner gun laws,recently passed, that are supported by a majority of all Americans, will stand unaltered and enforced state-wide.
Debbie Wasserman Schultz gave an accurate and descriptive account when she noted that this special election had an active element of voter suppression at play. There is no other way to describe it. 30% turnout is not representative of typical Colorado participation in any election.
Revel and gloat in your hollow victory for now... the next general election will see a return to sanity when all electors are given a chance to have their say.
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Well said.

And that "third party candidate"... came from which other party? ;)
 
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haymarket said:
Attempting to attack me does not provide a very good substitute for failing to negate the facts in this case - namely that mail in ballots were not allowed in a State election where up to 70% of people use that method.
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:doh :doh "Attack" you? Ahem.... I don't do lopsided.

Besides, I've already addressed this and debunked it as absurd nonsense. Yet rather than accept the actual facts, addressing them logically or rationally, let alone attempting to refute them, you merely come back repeating the same old claim, ad-nauseum as if repetition will someday change the facts. They won't.

:2wave:
 
Buck Ewer said:
It should be noted that this was not a single issue recall election as the media love to paint it. Had Giron and Morse not supported the new Colorado renewable energy policies recently passed, then the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) and the Koch brothers would not likely have gotten involved. Without their deep pockets and their expertise at covert funding tactics and dirty political maneuvering, the elections would have had very different outcomes.
Morse and Giron found themselves in a perfect ****-storm from the biggest money the GOP can muster in an off election year and even Bloomberg's Mayors Against Illegal Guns funding couldn't save them.
Originally there were four Colorado legislators targeted by ALEC the Kochs and the NRA but they could not muster the tiny number of signatures necessary to start the recall procedure in Colorado, on two of them. The goal was for four recalls and they were only half-way successful.
Big money it seems can sway an election through voter suppression, election law maneuvering and lying advertisements but still can't always buy signatures on a petition.
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big money huh? And how much did Bloomberg spend? Just who is it that laid out that "big money", on which side, and to what avail?
 
Buck Ewer said:
Bloomberg made no attempt to hide the funding of his interests in this recall election but the NRA and the Koch boys are experts at clandestine funding of political races that they find important to their monetary interests. Those who understand the mechanics of covert funding by these financial power players in the past understand that they may have easily shelled out as much as double Bloomberg's investment. There is no way to know the exact figure...they are that clever.
The legal maneuvering required, I.E. the injecting of a decoy, third party candidate, into the race at the last minute to prevent the mail out of ballots that Colorado rural district voters have become accustomed to, is a testament to the underhanded lengths that the NRA lawyers will go to just to win a largely symbolic race such as this one. They even somehow got to the El Paso election officials so that early voting did not start until the day before the final election date using the same tactic. Had El Paso county held early voting as they usually do there is no doubt in anyone's mind that there would have been a very different outcome.
Again the Democratic party in Colorado continue to hold majorities in the Senate and the House as well as the Governorship. The slightly saner gun laws,recently passed, that are supported by a majority of all Americans, will stand unaltered and enforced state-wide.
Debbie Wasserman Schultz gave an accurate and descriptive account when she noted that this special election had an active element of voter suppression at play. There is no other way to describe it. 30% turnout is not representative of typical Colorado participation in any election.
Revel and gloat in your hollow victory for now... the next general election will see a return to sanity when all electors are given a chance to have their say.
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This is so completely bogus.

First - assuming it were true more rural voters didn't vote, you should be glad since if they did the outcome would have been even more lopsided.
Second - it's already been shown how a 30% voter turnout isn't an uncommon event - even in those districts
Third - big money had NOTHING to do with this election given your side spent more than FIVE TIMES - 5x what our side did.
Fourth - No one was prevented from voting in this election and there's not one shred of proof anyone was - not one. Just pathetic whines on your side.
Fifth - everyone who wanted to vote in that election by and large did. This was such a publicized event - thanks to BLOOMBERG and HIS MONEY and thanks to the ILLEGITIMATE ACTIONS of the leftist legislature that the very idea people didn't know about it is absurd.
Sixth - what the gun control lobby did in our state - with the complicit help of the legislature - was one of, if not the most outrageous acts of abuse of legislative power ever witnessed in our state - or likely any other for that matter.

Yeah - bring on the general election. We can't wait.
 
VanceMack said:
big money huh? And how much did Bloomberg spend? Just who is it that laid out that "big money", on which side, and to what avail?
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Over five times that spent by the winning side.
 
VanceMack said:
big money huh? And how much did Bloomberg spend? Just who is it that laid out that "big money", on which side, and to what avail?
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As of Sep 9th, Bloomberg himself spent $350,000, which is almost as much as the NRA put in.

Outside money shows national interest in Colorado recall elections - The Denver Post

Nearly $368,000 from committees collecting donations in favor of the recalls came from outside of Colorado, and about $147,000came in the form of itemized donations from within the state.

By contrast, those against the recall received about $1.5 million from within Colorado and about $1.5 million from outside the state. However, while some of the issue committees against the recalls are registered here in Colorado, they accepted cash from out-of-state donors and then in turn donated back to other local issue committees.

For example, the Denver-based Taxpayers for Responsible Democracy, which received a $350,000 check from New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and $250,000 from Los Angeles philanthropist Eli Broad, donated large sums of money to A Whole Lot of People for John Morse — a separate Colorado Springs issue committee fighting against the recalls.

Almost all of the outside money collected by issue committees vying to oust the lawmakers came from the National Rifle Association, based in Fairfax, Va.
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haymarket said:
In an earlier post, 92 - I presented her statements and evidence that she was factually correct about the mail in ballots issue and the reliance Colorado voters have on them.

Not one person here has provided any verifiable evidence otherwise. Not one.
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Every clever deception has some sliver of truth mixed in...So while some of the factual things DWS spoke of may indeed be a contributing factor to the loss, it is the rhetorical use of deceptive exaggeration that makes her dishonest.
 
EdwinWillers said:
:doh :doh "Attack" you? Ahem.... I don't do lopsided.

Besides, I've already addressed this and debunked it as absurd nonsense. Yet rather than accept the actual facts, addressing them logically or rationally, let alone attempting to refute them, you merely come back repeating the same old claim, ad-nauseum as if repetition will someday change the facts. They won't.

:2wave:
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You have done NOTHING to negate two simple facts about this recall election and all the bluff and bluster from you does not change that reality:

1 - mail in ballots were not allowed in this election
2- some 70% of Colorado voters use mail in ballots
 
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