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    Re: Debbie Wasserman Schultz on COL recall: 'Voter Suppression, Pure and Simple’

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Because of the nature of campaign finance laws the NRA the Kochs and ALEC do not need to reveal how much they spent on advertising campaigns against Morse and Giron.
    So no I do not have a hard number. Are you so naive as to think that the reported 550 thousand reported is all that was spent?
    These people have very deep pockets and the airwaves were saturated in the weeks leading up to the recall election with lies and smears about both candidates.
    BTW my ass is not stinging ... the Democratic party remains in the majorities of the Colorado House and Senate...the Governor is a Democrat and the saner gun laws they passed and signed remain un-altered and enforced.
    The NRA victory here was largely symbolic and hollow.
    They changed nothing in my state.
    Seems you don't have hard numbers, soft numbers or any numbers that may have a hint of reality attached.

    Light up, my friend.

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    Re: Debbie Wasserman Schultz on COL recall: 'Voter Suppression, Pure and Simple’

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Real simple, I am frankly surprised you can't see it....If there were other methods to cast their vote, and they had the opportunity to vote, then NO ONE was suppressed.
    Baloney - worse... its yesterdays baloney now digested and heading down the porcelain bowl in a swirl. I have to ask you a straight forward question - which is it? Are you being

    1- hyper partisan and you are simply glad the Republicans won and you will take it any way you had to get it?

    2- hopelessly naive to actually believe what you just said about the supposed "opportunity to vote" being enough..... or

    3- totally uninformed about the actual ways of the world when it comes to election machinations?

    Which is it?

    You see, I make my living in politics and government. That is what I now do for a living. I run campaigns, write literature, craft strategy, write speeches, and generally tell politicians how to get elected. And once elected I work in the legislature working on proposals for laws and policy. That is what I do for a living.

    So when you pretend that there are only two options on the chart - honest elections or barring people from voting - I have to either laugh out loud or suspect you are being grossly disingenuous in the extreme to pretend to believe that. You see, if one party set out to say that 70% of the public cannot vote in an election, it would last about as long as an ice cream cone outside in the summer Phoenix heat. Such a blatant move would not see the light of day before it was shot down as simply illegal. So what you have to do is find a LEGAL WAY to get less of your opponents to vote so you have an advantage in the election. In plain English - you have to suppress the vote legally.

    In a state where 70% of the people use mail in ballots - the change the procedures in a special election where they can no longer do that and instead have to report to voting precincts where some of them have never been and cast a vote in person - is indeed masterful political chicanery worthy of Machiavelli on his best day.

    You successfully suppressed the vote of the other side and the result was a win for you. And it was all done legally.

    Machiavelli would pat your side on the head and give you a hearty and well earned "atta boy".
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    Re: Debbie Wasserman Schultz on COL recall: 'Voter Suppression, Pure and Simple’

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    How many times do you have to be told something before you "get" it?? Did I claim you claimed that? Once NO! Twice NO!! Three times Hell NO!!!

    Pay attention: I'm asking you the question. This question: Is it your contention that 70% of voters in Colorado were prevented from voting? How freeking difficult is that???
    What in the wide, wide world of sports does THAT gobbledigook mean???
    See the above post for a perfect answer in the real world which takes your silly question and crushes and flushes it.
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    Re: Debbie Wasserman Schultz on COL recall: 'Voter Suppression, Pure and Simple’

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Because of the nature of campaign finance laws the NRA the Kochs and ALEC do not need to reveal how much they spent on advertising campaigns against Morse and Giron.
    So no I do not have a hard number. Are you so naive as to think that the reported 550 thousand reported is all that was spent?
    These people have very deep pockets and the airwaves were saturated in the weeks leading up to the recall election with lies and smears about both candidates.
    BTW my ass is not stinging ... the Democratic party remains in the majorities of the Colorado House and Senate...the Governor is a Democrat and the saner gun laws they passed and signed remain un-altered and enforced.
    The NRA victory here was largely symbolic and hollow.
    They changed nothing in my state.
    Translation...no...no sources and you are just pulling more **** from your ass. Got it.

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    Re: Debbie Wasserman Schultz on COL recall: 'Voter Suppression, Pure and Simple’

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Baloney - worse... its yesterdays baloney now digested and heading down the porcelain bowl in a swirl. I have to ask you a straight forward question - which is it? Are you being

    1- hyper partisan and you are simply glad the Republicans won and you will take it any way you had to get it?

    2- hopelessly naive to actually believe what you just said about the supposed "opportunity to vote" being enough..... or

    3- totally uninformed about the actual ways of the world when it comes to election machinations?

    Which is it?

    You see, I make my living in politics and government. That is what I now do for a living. I run campaigns, write literature, craft strategy, write speeches, and generally tell politicians how to get elected. And once elected I work in the legislature working on proposals for laws and policy. That is what I do for a living.

    So when you pretend that there are only two options on the chart - honest elections or barring people from voting - I have to either laugh out loud or suspect you are being grossly disingenuous in the extreme to pretend to believe that. You see, if one party set out to say that 70% of the public cannot vote in an election, it would last about as long as an ice cream cone outside in the summer Phoenix heat. Such a blatant move would not see the light of day before it was shot down as simply illegal. So what you have to do is find a LEGAL WAY to get less of your opponents to vote so you have an advantage in the election. In plain English - you have to suppress the vote legally.

    In a state where 70% of the people use mail in ballots - the change the procedures in a special election where they can no longer do that and instead have to report to voting precincts where some of them have never been and cast a vote in person - is indeed masterful political chicanery worthy of Machiavelli on his best day.

    You successfully suppressed the vote of the other side and the result was a win for you. And it was all done legally.

    Machiavelli would pat your side on the head and give you a hearty and well earned "atta boy".

    Oh, so you by nature of your chosen profession in aiding liberal politicians, (which regardless of side of the isle is one step below used car salesman these days) is supposed to what, make your view infallible? Hardly....

    Look, it is real simple, everyone had a chance to vote, that they either voted against your side, or didn't show up is just more proof that in a state like CO, you should really stay away from peoples guns....Stick to the liberal strongholds, not the recently turned blue.....

    But thanks for playin' it is entertaining.
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    Re: Debbie Wasserman Schultz on COL recall: 'Voter Suppression, Pure and Simple’

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh, so you by nature of your chosen profession in aiding liberal politicians, (which regardless of side of the isle is one step below used car salesman these days) is supposed to what, make your view infallible? Hardly....
    Knowledgable and experienced in the real world of politics. That is what it makes me.
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    Re: Debbie Wasserman Schultz on COL recall: 'Voter Suppression, Pure and Simple’

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Baloney - worse... its yesterdays baloney now digested and heading down the porcelain bowl in a swirl. I have to ask you a straight forward question - which is it? Are you being

    1- hyper partisan and you are simply glad the Republicans won and you will take it any way you had to get it?

    2- hopelessly naive to actually believe what you just said about the supposed "opportunity to vote" being enough..... or

    3- totally uninformed about the actual ways of the world when it comes to election machinations?

    Which is it?

    You see, I make my living in politics and government. That is what I now do for a living. I run campaigns, write literature, craft strategy, write speeches, and generally tell politicians how to get elected. And once elected I work in the legislature working on proposals for laws and policy. That is what I do for a living.

    So when you pretend that there are only two options on the chart - honest elections or barring people from voting - I have to either laugh out loud or suspect you are being grossly disingenuous in the extreme to pretend to believe that. You see, if one party set out to say that 70% of the public cannot vote in an election, it would last about as long as an ice cream cone outside in the summer Phoenix heat. Such a blatant move would not see the light of day before it was shot down as simply illegal. So what you have to do is find a LEGAL WAY to get less of your opponents to vote so you have an advantage in the election. In plain English - you have to suppress the vote legally.

    In a state where 70% of the people use mail in ballots - the change the procedures in a special election where they can no longer do that and instead have to report to voting precincts where some of them have never been and cast a vote in person - is indeed masterful political chicanery worthy of Machiavelli on his best day.

    You successfully suppressed the vote of the other side and the result was a win for you. And it was all done legally.

    Machiavelli would pat your side on the head and give you a hearty and well earned "atta boy".
    It doesn't say much for the Democrat strategists if they weren't prepared for something like this and, of course, it was all done legally. The winning strategy of the Democrats appears to be more straightforward.DEMOCRATS Arrested and/or Convicted of Voter Fraud | Specfriggintacular’s Blog | Eastaustinvoice's Weblog

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    Re: Debbie Wasserman Schultz on COL recall: 'Voter Suppression, Pure and Simple’

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Knowledgable and experienced in the real world of politics. That is what it makes me.
    Maybe you should have offered them some of your advice and experience and it wouldn't have been such a rout.

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    Re: Debbie Wasserman Schultz on COL recall: 'Voter Suppression, Pure and Simple’

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Knowledgable and experienced in the real world of politics. That is what it makes me.
    Or just better at lying with a straight face.
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    Re: Debbie Wasserman Schultz on COL recall: 'Voter Suppression, Pure and Simple’

    Maybe it was simply a case that the citizens sent the legislators packing that restricted their second amendment rights, and nothing else to read into it.

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