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    How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    My, my, my.....well Neo Cons and Neo Libs. Read it and Breathe Deep. Looks like on this issue.....Obama is really backing up the First Team. As unfortunate as it is. Putin.....the Bully Kid that Obama said was sitting in the back of the class showed Obama why he was just visiting.


    "We've kind of hit a wall," President Barack Obama commented last week on his way to Russia. He meant his relationship with Moscow, but the remark came to apply as well to other leaders abroad, lawmakers at home and Americans at large, all standing in the way of what he wanted to do about Syria, which was to attack it.

    Just days later, military action is on hold, a diplomatic effort to have Syria turn over its chemical weapons has some steam and Obama no longer looks so terribly alone. The potential way out took shape with an episode akin to palace intrigue: Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin pulling up chairs in a corner of a stately room at the summer home of Peter the Great, after a very late night of fireworks and lasers etching the St. Petersburg sky. And it grew from there.

    It's all been enough to stir some gushing admiration in the halls of Congress for a clever president who knows how to conduct statesmanship when the pressure's really on. The president of Russia, that is.

    A look at how the past days' parallel tracks — pushing for approval of a military attack while pausing to give diplomacy a chance — unfolded:

    With plenty of U.S.-Russian tensions simmering — over Syria, Moscow's sheltering of former NSA leaker Edward Snowden and more — Obama decided there would be no formal one-on-one with Putin. But the Russian leader, the Syrian government's leading patron on the world stage, approached him Friday and they pulled chairs together off to the side.

    Flanked only by interpreters, with other leaders looking on, they launched into a 20-minute discussion about Syria. There was no breakthrough on one vexing aspect of their disagreement — the future of Syrian President Bashar Assad. However, Putin broached an idea that the two leaders had first discussed a year ago at the G-20 summit in Mexico — an international agreement to secure Syria's chemical weapons stockpiles.

    Obama agreed that could be an area for cooperation and suggested Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov follow up. You wouldn't know it from Obama's public mood that day, but seeds had been planted.

    "I cannot look at those pictures — those little children laying on the ground, their eyes glassy, their bodies twitching — and not think of my own two kids," said Susan Rice, Obama's national security adviser, as part of the lobbying offensive.

    Nothing seemed to be working. More and more lawmakers stepped forward to declare their opposition to military strikes. The dynamics — for and against military action — were strikingly bipartisan.

    Some members of Congress were beside themselves, trying to make sense of it all. First the Obama administration had appeared to be marching toward a strike. Then the president hit pause and asked Congress to approve his course. Then came the Russian idea, so yet another pause. Altogether, the arguments of the administration had grown awfully complicated and seemed to be changing by the hour.

    "I'm going to start looking for medication," Rep. Howard "Buck" McKeon, R-Calif., chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. , remarked Tuesday morning. "This place is a zoo."

    Obama's address to the nation Tuesday night wasn't the trumpet call to action that it might have been, absent the diplomatic initiative on Syrian chemical weapons. His statement reflected the complexities of the moment — a chance to avoid war, as he saw it, but a continuing need for congressional approval to keep a credible military threat alive.

    "The whole terrain has changed," Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., said after a meeting of Democrats on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. "We want to make sure we do nothing that's going to derail what's going on.".....snip~

    How the Syria plan broke through, just in time




    Hopefully the next time.....Putin wont have him jumping thru Hoops rather than tricking him into bringing Checkers to that game of Chess!
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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    My, my, my.....well Neo Cons and Neo Libs. Read it and Breathe Deep. Looks like on this issue.....Obama is really backing up the First Team. As unfortunate as it is. Putin.....the Bully Kid that Obama said was sitting in the back of the class showed Obama why he was just visiting.


    "We've kind of hit a wall," President Barack Obama commented last week on his way to Russia. He meant his relationship with Moscow, but the remark came to apply as well to other leaders abroad, lawmakers at home and Americans at large, all standing in the way of what he wanted to do about Syria, which was to attack it.

    Just days later, military action is on hold, a diplomatic effort to have Syria turn over its chemical weapons has some steam and Obama no longer looks so terribly alone. The potential way out took shape with an episode akin to palace intrigue: Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin pulling up chairs in a corner of a stately room at the summer home of Peter the Great, after a very late night of fireworks and lasers etching the St. Petersburg sky. And it grew from there.

    It's all been enough to stir some gushing admiration in the halls of Congress for a clever president who knows how to conduct statesmanship when the pressure's really on. The president of Russia, that is.

    A look at how the past days' parallel tracks — pushing for approval of a military attack while pausing to give diplomacy a chance — unfolded:

    With plenty of U.S.-Russian tensions simmering — over Syria, Moscow's sheltering of former NSA leaker Edward Snowden and more — Obama decided there would be no formal one-on-one with Putin. But the Russian leader, the Syrian government's leading patron on the world stage, approached him Friday and they pulled chairs together off to the side.

    Flanked only by interpreters, with other leaders looking on, they launched into a 20-minute discussion about Syria. There was no breakthrough on one vexing aspect of their disagreement — the future of Syrian President Bashar Assad. However, Putin broached an idea that the two leaders had first discussed a year ago at the G-20 summit in Mexico — an international agreement to secure Syria's chemical weapons stockpiles.

    Obama agreed that could be an area for cooperation and suggested Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov follow up. You wouldn't know it from Obama's public mood that day, but seeds had been planted.

    "I cannot look at those pictures — those little children laying on the ground, their eyes glassy, their bodies twitching — and not think of my own two kids," said Susan Rice, Obama's national security adviser, as part of the lobbying offensive.

    Nothing seemed to be working. More and more lawmakers stepped forward to declare their opposition to military strikes. The dynamics — for and against military action — were strikingly bipartisan.

    Some members of Congress were beside themselves, trying to make sense of it all. First the Obama administration had appeared to be marching toward a strike. Then the president hit pause and asked Congress to approve his course. Then came the Russian idea, so yet another pause. Altogether, the arguments of the administration had grown awfully complicated and seemed to be changing by the hour.

    "I'm going to start looking for medication," Rep. Howard "Buck" McKeon, R-Calif., chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. , remarked Tuesday morning. "This place is a zoo."

    Obama's address to the nation Tuesday night wasn't the trumpet call to action that it might have been, absent the diplomatic initiative on Syrian chemical weapons. His statement reflected the complexities of the moment — a chance to avoid war, as he saw it, but a continuing need for congressional approval to keep a credible military threat alive.

    "The whole terrain has changed," Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., said after a meeting of Democrats on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. "We want to make sure we do nothing that's going to derail what's going on.".....snip~

    How the Syria plan broke through, just in time




    Hopefully the next time.....Putin wont have him jumping thru Hoops rather than tricking him into bringing Checkers to that game of Chess!
    Great informative post. Thank you!
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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Great informative post. Thank you!
    NP Mags.....Just hard to believe that Putin set it in Motion since Mexico. Over a year ago.

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    LOL. I guess Kerry will be "I was for the war before I was against the war" again

    There is something that I admire in Putin independent of politics--he is a crafty fellow.

    Russia: We are going to crush these people in Chechnya
    US: Russia is evil for oppressing these poor Chechnyans yearning to breathe free
    Russia: Hey, FBI, you better keep in eye on this dude from Chechnya
    **crickets**
    BOOM!!
    US: Why hasn't Russia done something about these evil people from Chechnya?

    I sort of get why he is "Whatever" with the Obama and the US

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Obama is out of his league.

    What were the DNC scouts thinking back in 2008 when they took someone from little league, bypassing the minors and putting him in the major leagues ?

    Then you have Obama's narcissism where he surrounds himself with second rate people because that's what narcissist do, not wanting to have people who are more competent than himself.
    Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State was a perfect example.

    And Obama again blunders again by nominating another elitist narcissist as Secretary of State, John Kerry. Yes Kerry has been playing in the major leagues for years but his past makes him inefficient when it somes to foreign affairs. Most of the world leaders remember John Kerry back in 1971 with his "Winter Soldier" speech where Kerry accused 3.5 million Vietnam veterans of atrocities that 99.99% of those who served were innocent of and didn't commit. Kerry back stabbed the American soldier in the back while they were still on the battlefield. (That's why Kerry didn't get the military or veterans vote back in 2004 and didn't win the White House.)

    But the world leaders, even those who Kerry allied himself with back in 1971 (North Vietnam, Peoples Republic of China, Soviet Union, etc...) no longer look at Kerry as an ally but as a traitor to his own country. This is why Kerry will not be able to carry out the duties as Secretary of State, like Obama he hasn't earned the respect.

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    LOL. I guess Kerry will be "I was for the war before I was against the war" again

    There is something that I admire in Putin independent of politics--he is a crafty fellow.

    Russia: We are going to crush these people in Chechnya
    US: Russia is evil for oppressing these poor Chechnyans yearning to breathe free
    Russia: Hey, FBI, you better keep in eye on this dude from Chechnya
    **crickets**
    BOOM!!
    US: Why hasn't Russia done something about these evil people from Chechnya?

    I sort of get why he is "Whatever" with the Obama and the US


    Well Kerry ended up fumbling the ball.....playing to the camera and getting all Emotional like. Then his mouth overloaded his brain. What makes it all the worse....is him chilling out and then Getting that call from Lavrov. Telling him. I heard you and not only did I hear what you said.....While in amazement that you said it. But Now I am making announcement Mr Secretary. You Might want to tune in and turn the volume up.


    Kerry had been the main figure pitching the Syrian strategy. To lawmakers, in speeches and at news conferences, he spoke passionately and sometimes misspoke. At one point, he even seemed to hold out a last-resort option of ground troops in Syria, in the face of numbingly repetitive assurances by U.S. officials of no-boots-on-the-ground. This time, he swerved verbally in the other direction, stating U.S. action against Syria would be "unbelievably small," raising questions about why bother.

    When Kerry was asked if Assad could do anything to avoid an attack, he uttered 20 words that set off a rapid chain of events.

    "Sure," he said. "He can turn over every single bit of his chemical weapons to the international community in the next week."

    He raised both arms for emphasis and continued: "Turn it over, all of it, without delay, and allow a full and total accounting for that. But he isn't about to do it, and it can't be done, obviously."

    On the flight home, Kerry, now in a faded orange zip-up sweatshirt, spoke on the phone with Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister. Lavrov told Kerry he had heard his comments in London and Russia was getting ready to make an announcement.

    By the time Kerry landed in the U.S., Russia had made its proposal to place Syrian chemical weapons out of Assad's control, Syria had welcomed the idea, other nations and the United Nations had embraced it in principle, and some members of Congress were beginning to see a possible way out of the jam. Kerry's staff initially suggested that the secretary's words were merely a rhetorical flourish. But by the end of the day, though expressing deep skepticism, Obama declared the Russian pitch "potentially a significant breakthrough" that could head off U.S. air strikes.....snip~

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    NP Mags.....Just hard to believe that Putin set it in Motion since Mexico. Over a year ago.
    Yeah, and Putins been kicking Obama's ass on it because he's right, on THIS issue.

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yeah, and Putins been kicking Obama's ass on it because he's right, on THIS issue.
    The icing on the cake would be that if Russia bought the rights and changed the name of Heinz Field to Putin Field

    Hey the guy is a billionaire--he could afford it

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Let's not get ourselves too excited just yet about the situation in Syria. This is, so far, merely talk of a CW surrender/destruction and in exchange for absolutely nothing except the U.S. backig down and allowing Assad to buy and use more conventional weapons continue is plan to kill off his opposition. Is Obama, and by expention the U.S. taxpayer, still intent on arming the "good" opponents of Assad? Our foreign aid and policy is based on some fairly bizarre and contradictory goals, often involving paying both sides in a conflict to make nice, while ignoring military coups and some fairly major human rights violations.
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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    LOL. I guess Kerry will be "I was for the war before I was against the war" again

    There is something that I admire in Putin independent of politics--he is a crafty fellow.
    Putin probably actually plays chess while Obama plays checkers with Malia and Natasha and loses most of the time.

    You have to be street wise with dealing with Putin. He's a street thug (X-KGB) and like most thugs they want respect they haven't earned. When dealing with Putin you have to have perpetual vision or Putin will cold cock you when your not expecting it.

    Where as Obama was given the benefit of doubt in the beginning and shown the respect he never earned and soon it was obvious, Obama wasn't ready for the major leagues.

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