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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    I look in the mirror and I am fine with my hatred of islam, or hatred of crime, or hatred of people too lazy to rise above the poverty even when given opportunity after opportunity. If they want to be the prey instead of the hunter, fine with me. Have's and have-not's. It is what it is. I say lets make some money off arab misery. I would rather USA be the top of the food chain than the middle or bottom.
    Thumbs up. I get so tired of how the followers of Islam are handled with a gentle hand in the mid-east. They're just a bunch of barbarians. As long as they want theocracies above all else then they will never be seen as nothing more than savages.

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    ObamaCo a year ago: Syria's use of chemical weapons will cross a Red Line for "us"

    ObamaCo ten days ago: Well, um....funny thing....looks like "our" Red Line consists of me stepping away from using "my" military that "I" have the unilateral authority to utilize as "I" deem necessary, and handing my little ultimatum hot potato off to "them" in congress.

    ObamaCo four days ago: My fellow Americans...we MUST act, children are dead, I implore you to understand the ramifications to our's and the international community's continuing security if we don't deploy a targeted, "unbelievably small" military strike....which I have authority to do..... but again... we'll wait and see what congress says.

    ObamaCo today: Well...okay..here's the thing....Putin and Assad sorta demanded I pull military attacks off the table, so I won't really enforce "our" Red Line at all....in fact, I'll fold like a cheap beach chair, and let the UN and Putin handle this Syria mess....as we prolly could have quietly..and with resolve...negotiated fairly easily in the first place...had I not been such a cowboy and escalated everything....

    Progressives: BRILLIANT foreign policy, Obama!!
    Incrementally, and always under the guise of "fairness", "equality", and "social justice", the US Constitution has been deceitfully interpreted in ways that remove all limitations on central authority...and place them on the people.

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    No matter the outcome it still blows my mind that the United States (and Russia) feel they have the jurisdiction to use smaller countries as players in a game of chess. Both the US and Russia continue to manipulate 3rd parties to gain what they want politically, and it is very unjust.
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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    I'd agree with you but personally I wouldn't mind hearing a few Syrians whine that their families were exterminated in bombing runs. But if I didn't hate Syrians so; I would agree with you. Let them kill each other and stay out of it. It's an Arab League problem. USA has no skin in the game. Maybe we can sell arms somewhere else and break even against Russia elsewhere.
    Mornin Snappo. Well we do have the Rebels/Terrorists that whine all the time about civilians getting killed. Course what they fail to tell many. A lot of those civilians are family members and supporters of the Rebels. Which help the Rebels, hide the Rebels, and give Aid to the Rebels. All the while helping to scope out Assad's people.

    So naturally Assad's Armed Forces will attack them. That's even with Offensives put on by the Rebels. While using Civilian neighborhoods to launch their attacks from.

    Course then the Rebels/Terrorists then run to the media and cry out Massacre.

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

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    Mornin Snappo. Well we do have the Rebels/Terrorists that whine all the time about civilians getting killed. Course what they fail to tell many. A lot of those civilians are family members and supporters of the Rebels. Which help the Rebels, hide the Rebels, and give Aid to the Rebels. All the while helping to scope out Assad's people.

    So naturally Assad's Armed Forces will attack them. That's even with Offensives put on by the Rebels. While using Civilian neighborhoods to launch their attacks from.

    Course then the Rebels/Terrorists then run to the media and cry out Massacre.
    I think the media does not properly represent the truth. The truth is that there was collateral damage as far back as the Revolutionary War. As long as rebels fight from the homes of civilians, from churches, from school playgrounds, from crowded mobs in the street, etc. there will always be the need for military troops to respond back in a way that also takes out civilians. Hardly anything was said about human shields either. As soon as USA announced (with their big effing mouths that can't keep a secret) that they were going to bomb Assad, immediately human shields went up at every military base and chemical weapons installation in Syria.

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    I think the media does not properly represent the truth. The truth is that there was collateral damage as far back as the Revolutionary War. As long as rebels fight from the homes of civilians, from churches, from school playgrounds, from crowded mobs in the street, etc. there will always be the need for military troops to respond back in a way that also takes out civilians. Hardly anything was said about human shields either. As soon as USA announced (with their big effing mouths that can't keep a secret) that they were going to bomb Assad, immediately human shields went up at every military base and chemical weapons installation in Syria.
    Yeah, I think I had some info up on Assad moving things into Civilian neighborhoods. Plus moving things around and tightening those Anti Air defenses. Jane's Counter Terrorism peeps were saying once Assad got the S300's that his Anti Air would be fully complete. Which they can set up and take down in 5mins.

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah, I think I had some info up on Assad moving things into Civilian neighborhoods. Plus moving things around and tightening those Anti Air defenses. Jane's Counter Terrorism peeps were saying once Assad got the S300's that his Anti Air would be fully complete. Which they can set up and take down in 5mins.
    Germany and some other countries are now ponying up to the bar and offering to kick in cash and technical assistance to destroy these weapons. Granted, a planet free of chemical and biological WMD's is a safer planet indeed; but the underlying problem is not addressed. Dead is dead. The conventional bombs used to carpet the entire city of Tokyo at the end of WW II is a perfect example. Those wiped out more people than even the nuclear detonations did. So clearly it's not how you kill large groups of people; it's THAT you kill large groups of people. Religions either need to become safe to the human race or abolished. Wars need to cease; and clearly that means the method for dispute resolution needs to be repaired. UN is not doing a successful job at removing wars from the world; so why pay tens of billions to keep that farce afloat? 200 countries, only a handful even paying into it, and an even smaller handful giving troops to the security council. Someone needs to build a better mouse trap IMHO. So we have Assad willing to walk away from his chemical weapon stores. Big whoop. Dropping huge conventional bombs from his air force isn't any better, nor is having a few thousand of his troops sweep through a town with AK-47's shooting anything that moves.

    Reminds me of a Ron White joke. He is talking about how some idiot ropes himself to a telephone pole during a hurricane so he can experience it. Ron's comment is "It's not THAT the wind is blowing; it's WHAT the wind is blowing. Being roped to a tree wont help when you have a Volvo in your spleen".

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    I think the media does not properly represent the truth. The truth is that there was collateral damage as far back as the Revolutionary War. As long as rebels fight from the homes of civilians, from churches, from school playgrounds, from crowded mobs in the street, etc. there will always be the need for military troops to respond back in a way that also takes out civilians. Hardly anything was said about human shields either. As soon as USA announced (with their big effing mouths that can't keep a secret) that they were going to bomb Assad, immediately human shields went up at every military base and chemical weapons installation in Syria.
    Are you aware that civilian supporters of president Assad (yes, he has plenty of them) launched a campaign to blockade military targets on a voluntary basis?

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Are you aware that civilian supporters of president Assad (yes, he has plenty of them) launched a campaign to blockade military targets on a voluntary basis?
    In America, our government tends to try to protect us from mass extermination. In arab countries, mass extermination via human shields is apparently encouraged. Ask yourself this: If Bush knew a day before 9-11 that WTC was gonna be taken out by suicide arabs, do you think he would have put a few thousand women and children in the Twin Towers to dissuade the muslims?

    F*ck Assad, and f*ck Al Qaeda. Either make a few bucks helping both of them kill each other; or sit on the sidelines and just let it happen anyway but with only Russia making coin. There are no good guys in Syria. They are all bad, down to the teachers that teach that Jews are sub-human in school, and down to the little kids that the parents plan to eventually strap TNT to. Syria is a bad place, front to back.

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    In America, our government tends to try to protect us from mass extermination. In arab countries, mass extermination via human shields is apparently encouraged. Ask yourself this: If Bush knew a day before 9-11 that WTC was gonna be taken out by suicide arabs, do you think he would have put a few thousand women and children in the Twin Towers to dissuade the muslims?

    F*ck Assad, and f*ck Al Qaeda. Either make a few bucks helping both of them kill each other; or sit on the sidelines and just let it happen anyway but with only Russia making coin. There are no good guys in Syria. They are all bad, down to the teachers that teach that Jews are sub-human in school, and down to the little kids that the parents plan to eventually strap TNT to. Syria is a bad place, front to back.
    How does that speak to what I said. Civilians volunteered themselves as shields at military targets!

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